[Neobrahmigp] IP feedback on the Draft Devanagari LGR

Bal Krishna Bal bal at ku.edu.np
Wed Oct 11 09:53:00 UTC 2017


OK, great thanks.
Regards,
Bal Krishna

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Bal Krishna Bal,PhD
Assistant Professor
Lead Researcher - Information and Language Processing Research Lab
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Kathmandu, University
Dhulikhel, Kavre
Nepal
Homepage: http://ku.edu.np/cse/faculty/bal

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Akshat Joshi <akshatj at cdac.in> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Bal and All,
>
> Thank you for the feedback on IP's feedback.
>
> In the new referencing system, I have removed the reference to the
> Inscript keyboard. Hence I am not putting this too as a reference. For the
> code-point repertoire, referencing Hindi, Marathi, Sanskrit, Kashmiri and
> Sindhi seem to be covering all the languages using Devanagari. Hence I have
> given references of those five only. If further demanded by IP for
> inclusion of additional references, I will certainly consider this input.
> In case I do not, please point it out at that time and I will certainly add
> the same. I hope this will be fine.
>
> Also, thanks for the clarification on Halanta ending variants, we have
> dropped that variant recommendation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Akshat
>
> On 09-10-2017 23:21, Bal Krishna Bal wrote:
>
> Dear Akshat and All,
> Going through the feedback from IP, I don't see much that can be added
> specifically for Devanagari-based languages spoken in Nepal (Nepali, Newar
> and Tamang). I just wanted to add a few information based on some of the
> comments from the IP feedback  document:
>
> 1. Reference for keyboard layout for Nepali:[Nepali Unicode
> Romanized/Traditional]
> http://ltk.org.np/keyboard_layouts.php
>
> Although some unicode based Newar keyboard layouts are said to exist, they
> don't seem to be publicly available. Tamang does not yet have a separate
> unicode based keyboard layout of its own. So, the above two layouts for
> Nepali can be referenced as the official keyboard layouts for the
> Devanagari based languages in Nepal.
>
> 2. As far as halanta ending labels are concerned, I am putting the excerpt
> from the input document we provided earlier below:
>
> ----------------
>
> In Nepali, there is growing trend to use or drop the “halanta” character
> at the end of word and vice-versa. There are just a limited set of such
> words in the Nepali dictionary.
>
> For example,
>
> परिषद् vs परिषद
>
> संवत् vs संवत
>
> सांसद् vs सांसद
>
> Any word with/without halanta ending should be treated as a “blocked”
> variant.
>
> --------------
>
>
> From the above, we can infer that the halanta ending in labels is not a
> very strict requirement for Nepali. So should there be a consensus to drop
> the case, we are fine with that as well.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bal Krishna
>
>
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> ---
> Bal Krishna Bal,PhD
> Assistant Professor
> Lead Researcher - Information and Language Processing Research Lab
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> Kathmandu, University
> Dhulikhel, Kavre
> Nepal
> Homepage: http://ku.edu.np/cse/faculty/bal
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for sharing the draft of the Devanagari Root Zone LGR proposal
>> for review by the Integration Panel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find attached their feedback containing the following documents:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Feedback document from IP
>>    2. Updated XML file, per the feedback
>>    3. Corresponding (more readable) HTML version derived from the XML
>>    file
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let us know if you have any queries about the feedback.  You are
>> requested to consider the feedback as you update the proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sarmad
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at ic
>> ann.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarmad Hussain
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:12 AM
>> *To:* Akshat Joshi <akshatj at cdac.in>; NeobrahmiGP at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Devanagari LGR
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Akshat, All.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have forwarded the proposal documents to IP for feedback, along with
>> the queries in the email.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will get back to you with their response soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sarmad
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at ic
>> ann.org <neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Akshat Joshi
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:59 PM
>> *To:* NeobrahmiGP at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Devanagari LGR
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear  All,
>>
>> Please find attached, copy of the Devanagari LGR which can be submitted
>> to Integration Panel for their early comments.
>>
>> The Devanagari LGR document is also accompanied with the XML file of the
>> same.
>>
>> Dr. Data you may please take this to the IP with following points:
>>
>> 1. In the XML, framing of the rule "follows-only-C-or-CN" has been done
>> as per our understanding. It may need corrections. Request IP to suggest.
>>
>> 2. Variants:
>>
>>     - As per reciprocity of variants, the variant sequences have been
>> reproduced in the <data> section. It may need corrections. Request IP to
>> suggest.
>>
>>     - The "Halant ending" variants mentioned in section 6.2 in LGR
>> document is a case of conditional and null variant. It was not clear how to
>> put that in XML. It has not been done. Request IP to suggest.
>>
>> 3. Some of the language's data is expected to be received in few days.
>> Once received, that too will be incorporated into this. Those have been
>> marked in red.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Akshat Joshi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28-08-2017 17:58, Akshat Joshi wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find attached, most recent version of the Devangari LGR with all
>> the suggestions/changes incorporated till date.
>>
>> We are still in process of getting information on the languages which use
>> Devanagari, fall within EGIDS scale 1 to 4 and are yet to be covered by the
>> NBGP. If we can complete that by end of August, we will release the final
>> version of the Devanagari LGR document which can be sent to Integration
>> Panel for their review.
>>
>> I hope this pre-final draft will act as a good basis for tomorrow's call.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two things that I have marked in red in the document.
>> 1. The name of the accompanying XML file which we will finalize after the
>> finalization of the LGR rules and repertoire. You may please ignore that
>> for now.
>> 2. Some of the languages which are yet to be taken into account
>>
>> Major changes done to the document are:
>> 1. Changes suggested by Dr. Bal regarding name change to Newar and Nepali
>> being official language of Nepal
>> 2. Additional Halanta ending variant has been added (up for discussion)
>> 3. Principles for inclusion of characters have been added in Guiding
>> Principles section (up for discussion)
>> 4. The case of V preceded by an H has been explicitly mentioned under the
>> WLE section (up for discussion)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Akshat Joshi
>>
>> On 04-08-2017 17:57, Akshat Joshi wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find attached, draft LGR document for Devanagari.
>> Request all to give the feedback on the same so that it can be finally
>> modified for sending across to the Integration Panel for comments.
>>
>> There are two things that I have marked in red in the document.
>> 1. The name of the accompanying XML file which we will finalize after the
>> finalization of the LGR rules and repertoire. You may please ignore that
>> for now.
>> 2. Some of the languages which are yet to be taken into account
>>
>> Apart from that, I have taken into consideration the feedback received
>> for Nepali and Newari . Only the Variants have not been taken into account
>> as they conflict with the "No confusingly similar cases as Variants" policy
>> of LGR Procedure. I will separately reply to the proposed variants in
>> Nepali and Newari. However, some such cases pertaining to Santhali have
>> been added to the Variant table. We can discuss the same over the mails. If
>> required, will make further changes if needed.
>>
>> Major changes done to the document are:
>> 1. Akshar formation rules have been simplified and inapplicable cases
>> have been removed e.g. Avagraha and Digits
>> 2. Anusvara and Chandrabindu have been made separate categories as
>> discussed in the Kathmandu F2F meet.
>> 3. Santhali nukta requirements have been incorporated and the WLE section
>> has been modified accordingly.
>> 4. List of languages has been modified as per the EGIDS scale 1 to 4
>> 5. Guiding principles have been added for code-point selection
>> 6. Code-points as required by Sindhi and Kashmiri have been added
>>
>>
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>> Regards,
>> Akshat Joshi
>>
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