[Neobrahmigp] [Ext] Malayalam additional cross script variant code points

Thu Aug 2 21:53:44 UTC 2018

Please see the attached proposal and test labels file.

Thank you,

*Veena Solomon*

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On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <
pitinan.koo at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi Veena,
>
> Thank you for your email. Could you please also share the updated file.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Pitinan
>
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 02:37, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have checked again and found that  ന്റ =  U+0D28 *U+0D4D* U+0D31  rendering
> as
> <image.png>instead of
> <image.png> is just a font issue with Microsoft fonts alone. It is the
> most accepted way to represent *nta. *
>
> Hence the
> <image.png>causing  0D7B + *U+0D4D*  Halant may be disallowed. I have
> updated the document with the same.
>
>
>
>
> *Veena Solomon*
>
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> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:40 PM, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> എന്റെ =  U+0D0E U+0D28 *U+0D4D* U+0D31 U+0D46
>> എൻ്റെ  = U+0D0E U+0D7B *U+0D4D U*+0D31 U+0D46  (Here we use chillu +
>> virama and it is rendered incorrectly as
>> <image.png>in some fonts and browsers.
>>
>> എന്‍റെ = U+0D0E U+0D28 *U+0D4D *U+200D U+0D31 U+0D46 (This is how it has
>> been written historically, before the introduction of atomic chillu and it
>> uses zero width joiner). This sequence is rendered correctly because of
>> font support.
>>
>> Hence, if we block  U+0D7B *U+0D4D *improper representation is favored
>> or else zwj has to be included.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Veena Solomon*
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <
>> pitinan.koo at icann.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Veena,
>>>
>>> Please find attached the updated Malayalam LGR Proposal as per our
>>> discussion. It is version 1.2 dated 2018-09-02.
>>>
>>> List of attachment:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Malayalam LGR proposal (Malayalam_LGR_20180802.docx)
>>> 2. Response to IP feedback (IP-Response-Malayalam-LGR-201
>>> 80511-IP-PK.docx)
>>>
>>> Main modifications are:
>>> 1. Add two sets of Malayalam-Myanmar cross-script variant.
>>> 2. Add NBGP cross script variant analysis principle as Appendix D.
>>> 3. Add singleton variant text in Malayalam-Oriya cross-script variant
>>> section.
>>> 4. Revise references and their citations.
>>> 5. Add confusable cases with Myanmar,  and Latin for S case in appendix
>>> B.
>>>
>>> Remaining IP feedback item for your action:
>>> 1. Add explanation about how does "CHILLU" relate to "CHILLAKSHARAM" and
>>> "SAMVRUTHOKARAM”?
>>> 2. Decide if the LGR should disallow 0D7B + Halant due to rendering
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> Kindly review and finalize. Once it is finalized, please share back to
>>> me for the XML updates.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pitinan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 16:17, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot, Pitinan.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 1:41 PM Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <
>>> pitinan.koo at icann.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Veena,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the discussion regards to the candidate cross-script
>>>> variant for Malayalam.
>>>>
>>>> Please find the summary of our discussion as follows:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. 0D31 റ MALAYALAM LETTER RRA  and 1002 ဂ MYANMAR LETTER GA,  you
>>>>    suggested to add these as cross-script variant code points because Myanmar
>>>>    script is also derived from the Brahmi script. This is in compliant with
>>>>    the NBGP cross script variant analysis principle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. 0D1F ട MALAYALAM LETTER TTA is similar to 0073 s LATIN SMALL
>>>>    LETTER S and 0455 ѕ CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZE, however this is out of scope
>>>>    of NBGP cross script variant analysis principle. They will be listed in the
>>>>    Appendix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. 0D28 ന MALAYALAM LETTER NA and 1000 က MYANMAR LETTER KA can be
>>>>    listed as confusable in the appendix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. I’ll update the document according to our discussion conclusion,
>>>>    and share with you for your finalization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to add any further details, based on our conversation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pitinan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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# Vowel Test
അ
ആ
ഇ
ഈ
ഉ
ഊ
ഋ
എ
ഏ
ഐ
ഒ
ഓ
ഔ
# Consonant Test 
ക
ഖ
ഗ
ഘ
ങ
ച
ഛ
ജ
ഝ
ഞ
ട
ഠ
ഡ
ഢ
ണ
ത
ഥ
ദ
ധ
ന
പ
ഫ
ബ
ഭ
മ
യ
ര
റ
ല
ള
ഴ
വ
ശ
ഷ
സ
ഹ
# Matra Test
ാ
ി
ീ
◌ു
◌ൂ
◌ൃ
െ
േ
ൈ
ൊ
ോ
ൗ
# Anusvara Test
ം
# Visarga Test
ഃ
# Virama Test
◌്
# Chillu Test
ർ
ൻ
ൾ
ൺ
ൽ
ക്‍ 
# Fail: Rule 1-H must be preceded by C or the chillu ൻ (0D7B ) or the M ു (0D41)
ി്
എ് 
ൽ്
# Pass: Rule 1-H must be preceded by C or the chillu ൻ (0D7B ) or the M ു (0D41)
നന്മ 
അല്പം 
തത്വം 
മാർഗ്ഗം
കാലു്
എൻ്റെ 
# Fail: Rule 2-M must be preceded by C
അാ
ഇൗ 
ൊപ്പ് 
ൈരാവതം
# Pass: Rule 2-M must be preceded by C 
വൃത്തി 
വീതം 
നിമിഷം 
മൗനം 
മനുഷ്യൻ 
കുരിശ്ശ് 
# Fail: Rule 3- B must be preceded by C, V or M
ണ്ം
ഃം
്‌ലിയനില്‍  
ാമത്തെ
# Pass: Rule 3- B must be preceded by C, V or M
മലയാളം
അംശം
കായംകുളം
കിംവദന്തി
# Fail: Rule 4- X must be preceded by C, V or M
്ഃധനം 
ംഃ
# Pass: Rule 4- X must be preceded by C, V or M
അടിസഃഥാനത്തില്‍ 
അധഃപതിപ്പിച്ചു
ദുഃഖം
മനഃപൂര്‍വം
# Fail: Rule 5-  Lcannot be preceded by B, X or H
ംൺ
ഃൻ
്ൻ  
# Pass: Rule 5: L cannot be preceded by B, X or H
സർക്കാർ 
പെൺ 
ആ
വർക്ഷോപ്പ് 
മാർക്ക്
അവൻ 
അവൾ 
# Fail: Rule 6- Label does not begin with L
ൻപു 
ർഷഭം 
# Pass: Rule 6- Label does not begin with L
വരൻ 
അൻപത് 
അവൾ
കേൾവി 
#Pass: Rule 7- The variant ളള {0D33 0D33} cannot immediately follow 0D33 or 0D4D
വള്ളം 
ഉള്ള 
ഉള്ളിൽ 
നീളള്ള
#Fail: Rule 7- The variant ളള {0D33 0D33} cannot immediately follow 0D33 or 0D4D
ഉള്ളളവ് 
ള്ളള
#Following labels produce cross-script variants with Tamil
ஜவமி
ஜஜ
ஜவ
ஜம
ஜவி
ஜிஜி
ஜிஜே
ஜிவி
ஜிமி
ஜெஜி
ஜெமி
ஜெவி
ஜேஜி
ஜேமி
ஜேவி
மம
மவ
மஜ
மிமி
மிவி
மஜி
மிஜி
மெவி
மேஜி
மேவி
வஜ
வம
வமி
விஜி
விமி
விவி
விவ
விஜ
விம
விவமி
வெமி
வேமி

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