[Neobrahmigp] [Ext] Malayalam additional cross script variant code points

Thu Aug 2 22:36:13 UTC 2018

Dear Veena, 

Thank you for the files. I have updated the xml accordingly. I have also updated some the text in section 6 in-script variant set. 
Please find attached for your review and finalization. 

List of attachments:
1. Malayalam LGR proposal v1.3 dated 2018-08-03 (Malayalam_LGR_20180803-pk.doc)
2. XML (Proposal-LGR-Malayalam-20180803.xml)
3. HTML (Proposal-Lgr-Malayalam-20180803.htm)
4. Test file (malayalam-test-labels-20180803.txt)
5. Test result (malayalam-test-labels-20180803-result.txt)

Kindly review and let us know any feedback. 
Regards,
Pitinan

> On Aug 3, 2018, at 04:53, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Please see the attached proposal and test labels file.
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> Thank you,
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> Veena Solomon
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> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org <mailto:pitinan.koo at icann.org>> wrote:
> Hi Veena, 
> 
> Thank you for your email. Could you please also share the updated file. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> Pitinan
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2018, at 02:37, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com <mailto:veena.ycet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I have checked again and found that  ന്റ =  U+0D28 U+0D4D U+0D31  rendering as 
>> <image.png>instead of  
>> <image.png> is just a font issue with Microsoft fonts alone. It is the most accepted way to represent nta. 
>> 
>> Hence the 
>> <image.png>causing  0D7B + U+0D4D  Halant may be disallowed. I have updated the document with the same. 
>> 
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>> 
>> Veena Solomon
>> 
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>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:40 PM, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com <mailto:veena.ycet at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> എന്റെ =  U+0D0E U+0D28 U+0D4D U+0D31 U+0D46
>> എൻ്റെ  = U+0D0E U+0D7B U+0D4D U+0D31 U+0D46  (Here we use chillu + virama and it is rendered incorrectly as 
>> <image.png>in some fonts and browsers. 
>> 
>> എന്‍റെ = U+0D0E U+0D28 U+0D4D U+200D U+0D31 U+0D46 (This is how it has been written historically, before the introduction of atomic chillu and it uses zero width joiner). This sequence is rendered correctly because of font support. 
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>> Hence, if we block  U+0D7B U+0D4D improper representation is favored or else zwj has to be included.
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>> Veena Solomon
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>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org <mailto:pitinan.koo at icann.org>> wrote:
>> Dear Veena,
>> 
>> Please find attached the updated Malayalam LGR Proposal as per our discussion. It is version 1.2 dated 2018-09-02. 
>> 
>> List of attachment:
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Malayalam LGR proposal (Malayalam_LGR_20180802.docx)
>> 2. Response to IP feedback (IP-Response-Malayalam-LGR-20180511-IP-PK.docx)
>> 
>> Main modifications are:
>> 1. Add two sets of Malayalam-Myanmar cross-script variant.
>> 2. Add NBGP cross script variant analysis principle as Appendix D. 
>> 3. Add singleton variant text in Malayalam-Oriya cross-script variant section. 
>> 4. Revise references and their citations. 
>> 5. Add confusable cases with Myanmar,  and Latin for S case in appendix B.
>> 
>> Remaining IP feedback item for your action:
>> 1. Add explanation about how does "CHILLU" relate to "CHILLAKSHARAM" and "SAMVRUTHOKARAM”?
>> 2. Decide if the LGR should disallow 0D7B + Halant due to rendering issue. 
>> 
>> Kindly review and finalize. Once it is finalized, please share back to me for the XML updates.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Pitinan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 16:17, veena solomon <veena.ycet at gmail.com <mailto:veena.ycet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, Pitinan. 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 1:41 PM Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org <mailto:pitinan.koo at icann.org>> wrote:
>>> Dear Veena,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the discussion regards to the candidate cross-script variant for Malayalam.
>>> 
>>> Please find the summary of our discussion as follows:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 0D31 റ MALAYALAM LETTER RRA  and 1002 ဂ MYANMAR LETTER GA,  you suggested to add these as cross-script variant code points because Myanmar script is also derived from the Brahmi script. This is in compliant with the NBGP cross script variant analysis principle.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 0D1F ട MALAYALAM LETTER TTA is similar to 0073 s LATIN SMALL LETTER S and 0455 ѕ CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZE, however this is out of scope of NBGP cross script variant analysis principle. They will be listed in the Appendix.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 0D28 ന MALAYALAM LETTER NA and 1000 က MYANMAR LETTER KA can be listed as confusable in the appendix.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I’ll update the document according to our discussion conclusion, and share with you for your finalization.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please feel free to add any further details, based on our conversation.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Pitinan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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