[Neobrahmigp] Fwd: [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Fri Mar 30 17:44:59 UTC 2018

Dear Sarmad,

Thanks a lot for extending your one to one support and having multiple
discussion with me in last few days.

As discussed, I have checked few examples and added rules for all the
categories including other two categories (M and H). So, in total there are
6 rules to be incorporated. I have included a couple of examples for the
rules too, in this document.

Kindly find the same attached herein.

Thanks & Regards
Kuldeep Patnaik

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From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels
To: Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
Cc: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>, "unsciil51 at gmail.com" <
unsciil51 at gmail.com>, "Dr. AJAY D A T A" <ajay at data.in>, Mahesh Kulkarni <
mdk at cdac.in>, Samiran Gupta <samiran.gupta at icann.org>

Dear Kuldeep,

The proposal has the following six combining mark categories:

M             →          Matra

B               →          Anusvara

H              →          Halant

N              →          Nukta

X               →         Visarga

D              →          Candrabindu

Please not that there should be a rule to manage each of them.

The email below suggests rules for only 4 of the 6 categories.  Rules for
the other two categories (M and H) should also be added.  Otherwise the
rules become too permissive, e.g. label MMHH without a C would also be
valid.

We would request you to review the proposal.  Please let us know if you
would like to discuss further.

Regards,
Sarmad

*From:* Kuldeep Patnaik [mailto:kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:38 PM
*To:* Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
*Cc:* Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>; unsciil51 at gmail.com;
Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay at data.in>; Mahesh Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in>; Samiran
Gupta <samiran.gupta at icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Dear Sarmad,

I have analyzed the data and found that, *Rule 2* *Rule 3 and Rule 5* should
be removed.

The new rules series will be as mentioned below.

Rule1: N: must be preceded only by C1

Rule2: B: must be preceded by C and followed by C

Rule3: X must be preceded by V, C, N or M

           Rule4: D: must be preceded by V, C, N or M

Apologies for the corrections.

I have attached the amended LGR document (Proposal for Oriya Script Root
Zone Label Generation Rule * 10-03-2018*-Kp-SH) for your reference.

Thanks & Regards,

Kuldeep Patnaik

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
wrote:

Thank you Kuldeep.

I ran the an Oriya wordlist with the XML and am attaching the output here.

Looking forward to your feedback.

Regards,
Sarmad

*From:* Kuldeep Patnaik [mailto:kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 1:51 PM
*To:* Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
*Cc:* Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>; unsciil51 at gmail.com;
Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay at data.in>; Mahesh Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in>; Samiran
Gupta <samiran.gupta at icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Thank you Sarmad,

It would be great if you can send me the file containing  20,000 words or
labels which you have tested at your end.

I want to check the words which are there in that file, then it would be
possible for to provide feedback. Because that will give me the exact or
better idea how these rules are working in XML.

I guess there might be some issues, but want to make double sure, so that
it doesn't recur again.

Thank You once again.

Best Regards

Kuldeep Patnaik

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
wrote:

Dear Kuldeep,

As we start testing the XML LGRs, one of the steps we follow is to get
online corpora or word lists and run these thousands of unique “labels”
using the XML to see if words used in online text generally pass the XML
formulated.

We are doing so for all the XMLs we have received.

For Oriya, we have tested on about 20,000 words or labels.  The results
show around 4700 labels fail due to the single context rule:
Follows-only-C-or-N.

This is a fairly high number and we are looking into it further.  The
contexts for which this rule is triggered in the proposal are:

    Rule3: M: must be preceded only by C or N

                  For example: ଡ0B21+଼ 0B3C+ୀ0B40 =ଡ଼ୀ

    Rule5: V: must be preceded only by C or N

                  For example: ଡ0B21+଼0B3C+ା0B3E =ଡ଼ା

Rule 5 is requiring the generally standalone vowels (given below) to follow
a consonant.  In other scripts being considered by the NBGP, the standalone
vowel V does not require a consonant before it, as words can start with
such vowels (for example).  We would request you to please check Rule 5 and
let us know if it is Ok or should be revised.

0B05

ଅ

ORIYA LETTER A

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B06

ଆ

ORIYA LETTER AA

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B07

ଇ

ORIYA LETTER I

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B08

ଈ

ORIYA LETTER II

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B09

ଉ

ORIYA LETTER U

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B0A

ଊ

ORIYA LETTER UU

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B0B

ଋ

ORIYA LETTER VOCALIC R

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B0F

ଏ

ORIYA LETTER E

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B10

ଐ

ORIYA LETTER AI

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B13

ଓ

ORIYA LETTER O

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

0B14

ଔ

ORIYA LETTER AU

Lo

Oriya

Vowel

We look forward to your feedback.

We will also provide a more detailed feedback on the proposal and XML from
IP, once they have completed their review.

Regards,
Sarmad

*From:* Sarmad Hussain
*Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2018 7:46 PM
*To:* 'Kuldeep Patnaik' <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
*Cc:* Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>; unsciil51 at gmail.com;
Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay at data.in>; Mahesh Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in>; Samiran
Gupta <samiran.gupta at icann.org>
*Subject:* RE: [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Thank you Kuldeep for confirming.

We are now sending your updated version (attached – renamed with data
20180302 to match with XML file) to the Integration Panel for review.

Regards,
Sarmad

*From:* Kuldeep Patnaik [mailto:kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com
<kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>]
*Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2018 5:33 PM
*To:* Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
*Cc:* Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>; unsciil51 at gmail.com;
Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay at data.in>; Mahesh Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in>; Samiran
Gupta <samiran.gupta at icann.org>
*Subject:* [Ext] Re: Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Dear  Sarmad,

Thank you for creating  XML and HTML file for review. I will also start
testing levels using GLR Tool (https://lgrtool.icann.org[lgrtool.icann.org]
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and finish them in few days.

With regard to your query on the first set identified between Oriya and
Gujarati are variants (or just similar)-: *They look similar and not the
variant.*

I have updated the same in the LGR accordingly, attached below.

*Gujarati*

*Odia*

ઃ (0A83)

ଃ (0B03)

ઘ

U+0A98

ପ

U+0B2A

થ

U+0AA5

ଥ

U+0B25

Thanks & Best Regards

Kuldeep Patnaik

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
wrote:

Dear Kuldeep,

Please find attached the XML file for your review (HTML version derived
from XML also attached for easier review).

We are also attaching an updated version of the proposal suggesting some
edits based on the proposal:

   1. Cindrabindu, Visarga, Halant and Anusvara need to be explicitly
   tagged in the proposal to be used in the rules suggested.

   1. We have already done so in the XML attached.

   1. Also, it was not clear if the first set identified between Oriya and
   Gujarati are variants (or just similar).  This should be clarified in the
   text.

   1. We have assumed that you intended these to be variant code points so
      have included them as such in the XML, but can be changed in case these
      were not intended as variant code points.  Please let us know.

Regards,
Sarmad

*From:* Pitinan Kooarmornpatana
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 12:46 PM
*To:* Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
*Cc:* Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
*Subject:* Draft Oriya LGR - Test Labels

Dear Kuldeep,

As the next step of the Oriya LGR, could we request you to provide the test
labels file.

Please see sample from Devanagari as attached.

The labels should cover testing all the rules both valid and invalid cases.

Please let us know any queries you may have.

Regards,

Pitinan

*From:* Neobrahmigp [mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org
<neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Pitinan Kooarmornpatana
*Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 1:45 AM
*To:* Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
*Cc:* unsciil51 at gmail.com; NeobrahmiGP at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Oriya LGR

Dear Kuldeep,

Thank you very much for the timely Oriya proposal. As discussed during the
call, we will take this version to create the XML for your revision.

The next steps forward preparing the test labels text file for Oriya. We
will sent some examples in another email.

Best Regards,

Pitinan

On 23 Feb 2018, at 01:37, Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear All,

As discussed today's call, I am submitting the draft version of LGR Oriya
after completing all the updates including the variant, WLE, references,
appendix etc.

Kindly let me know if they are in order.

Thanks & Regards

Kuldeep Patnaik

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear Sir,

It's a great feeling for me to get an appreciation from you.

I am really honored and feel proud to be part of this community.

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,

Kuldeep Patnaik

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Harish Chowdhary <harish at nixi.in> wrote:

Thanks a lot Mr. Patnaik

Thanks,
Harish Chowdhary,
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Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:31:03 GMT+0530
To: "NeobrahmiGP at icann.org" <NeobrahmiGP at icann.org>, Udaya Narayana Singh <
unsciil at yahoo.com>, Mahesh Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in>, "Dr. AJAY D A T A" <
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Subject: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Oriya LGR

Dear All,

The Oriya LGR Document has been updated, please find the same is attached.

I am thankful to Dr. Ajay Data, Jay Paudyal, Pitinan for their support and
guidance.

Request all the panel members to review the same.

Best Regards,

Kuldeep Patnaik

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