[Neobrahmigp] FW: [Ext] lgrtelugucomments-modified
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana
pitinan.koo at icann.org
Tue Jun 11 15:58:45 UTC 2019
Dear NBGP members,
Thank you for confirming the updated version of the Telugu LGR. Based on the confirmed updates, accept all changes and finalize the package.
Please find the final package of version 2.8, dated 7 June 2019 as attached.
1. Telugu LGR proposal (proposal-telugu-lgr-07Jun19-en.docx)
2. Telugu LGR XML (proposal-telugu-lgr-07jun19-en.xml)
3. Telugu Test Label (telugu-test-labels-07jun19-en.txt)
This package is being forward to the IP for consideration to integration.
Regards,
Pitinan
-----Original Message-----
From: Neobrahmigp <neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 23:21
To: "office at babul.ngo" <office at babul.ngo>
Cc: "Neobrahmigp at icann.org" <Neobrahmigp at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Neobrahmigp] FW: [Ext] lgrtelugucomments-modified
Dear NBGP team,
Kindly note that Ganga planned to post this message to the public comment of LGR-3 as well, but due to the problem on his machine, he gave me the consent to post to the PC on his behalf.
Best Regards,
Pitinan
-----Original Message-----
From: Babul Films Society n-p NGO ICT for Ecoawareness <office at babul.ngo>
Organization: Babul Films Society non profit NGO
Reply-To: "office at babul.ngo" <office at babul.ngo>
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 21:12
To: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>
Cc: "Neobrahmigp at icann.org" <Neobrahmigp at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Neobrahmigp] FW: [Ext] lgrtelugucomments-modified
Dear NBGP team,
Thanks for attending the call and arriving at a consensus.
Follow up on the previous comment to Telugu LGR in LGR-3, the NBGP had
reconsidered the restriction
of Halant following Nasal-C and decided to drop the rule to accommodate
the general usage of labels
in Telugu e.g names.
Also the homophonic variant issue will be handled outside of the LGR,
the same way as other Neo-Brahmi script proposals.
Example of Telugu labels which become valid in the updated Telugu LGR:
1. చంపా champaa - flower name
2. గంప gampa - basket [made of bamboo]
3. తంటా tantaa - difficulty
4. పండు pandu - fruit
The main motivation is to make general usage of labels more clear and
remove ambiguity.
Thanks to Prof Rao, Pavanaja, Akshat and others for the healthy
discussion.
With best wishes
Gangadhar Panday
On 06.06.2019 11:26, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana wrote:
> Dear NBGP members,
>
> Please find attached the IP note to NBGP public comment on Telugu and
> Kannada (lgr-3-public-comment-issue-Telugu-Kannada-2019-06-05.docx)
>
> This note response to NBGP comment as attached
> (lgrtelugucomments-modifed-again.docx).
>
> This is for your discussion and finalize how to proceed _WHETHER A
> CHANGE TO EITHER LGR IS CALLED FOR, AND WHETHER THAT CHANGE INVOLVES
> ACTUAL CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED RULES AND OR AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE
> EXPLANATION OF THE FEATURES OF THE EXISTING LGRS AND WHY THEY WERE
> ADOPTED._
>
> Please note that time is of the essence. The deadline for reaction to
> public comments on the LGR-3 drafts is JUNE 18.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pitinan
>
> -------------------------
>
> To: NeoB GP
> From: Integration Panel
> Subject: Recent public comment on LGR-3 regarding Telugu and Kannada
>
> The IP would like to direct the GP's attention to the following public
> comment received about a potential discrepancy between the treatment
> of Halant nasal consonant conjuncts in Kannada and Telugu.
>
> The following repeats the comment and then proceeds to an analysis
> identifying several possible outcomes. It should be noted that while
> the IP has a general preference for treating parallel facts in a
> parallel way, this does not mean that some exceptions aren't possible
> if documented and justified.
>
> Also, following the Procedure, the IP has a general preference for a
> conservative approach, limited to modern practice. If nasal consonant
> conjuncts are effectively limited to Sanskrit, and the GP decided that
> Sanskrit transcription is inappropriate or out of scope for TLD labels
> in a particular script, or that they represent an unnecessary
> duplication in light of the modern practice of using Anusvara, that
> could constitute a justifiable rationale for restricting them.
>
> In the existing Telugu LGR that rationale is hinted at, but not made
> explicit. The Kannada LGR is silent on the issue, although it is our
> (non-expert) understanding that a similar issue exists in that script.
>
> The IP would like to request the GP to review this issue and suggest
> whether a change to either LGR is called for, and whether that change
> involves actual change in the proposed rules and or an improvement in
> the explanation of the features of the existing LGRs and why they were
> adopted.
>
> In closing, we would like to note that time is of the essence. The
> deadline for reaction to public comments on the LGR-3 drafts is June
> 19. The deadline for being able to publish LGR-3 in the current fiscal
> year is June 18.
>
> --- Integration Panel
>
> === Message from prof. Rao ===
>
> PROBLEM:
>
> The sequence of a Nasal Consonant {m, n, ṇ, ɲ, ŋ} + C is
> represented as 1. {m, n, ṇ, ɲ, ŋ} + H+C = {
> म्प,न्त,ण्ट,ञ्च, ङ्क} or 2. {ंप,
> ंत, ंट ंच, ंक}.
>
> Only one of the two representations is popularly followed in each of
> the languages (except for Tamil) that use Brahmi derived scripts. Now
> you need a common solution whether to block one of the two in each of
> these languages or just simply leave it.
>
> In the Telugu script lgr currently we have blocked one variant
> (representation 1.). But I have not come across similar thing in other
> languages. If I am right, then should we assume that both variant
> representations are valid? If that is so, then we have same problem
> but followed different solutions.
>
> SOLUTION:
>
> 1. Drop blocking* in Telugu;
>
> 2. Introduce blocking in other languages.
>
> === End of Message ===
>
> *Please note that the blocking in this context means having a WLE to
> disallow the H to follow nasal-C.
>
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