[Neobrahmigp] [Ext] Re: Oriya LGR v2.12 - 06mar19

Wed Mar 6 13:12:43 UTC 2019

Dear Pitinan, Dr. Data and all,
I must acknowledge the efforts you have been putting to followup and
helping to move it forward for all other scripts including Odia.

Since last two days, I am busy in shifting my house.
However, after my discussion with Pitinan yesterday evening, I reviewed the
entire proposal on my mobile late in the night since my system was packed,
hence delayed the sign off.
There was no deadline given to me, so thought I can send it by tonight.

Apology for the inconvenience if any. I confirm that the proposal can be
published at the proposals’ webpage [icann.org]
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_lgr-2Dproposals-2D2015-2D12-2D01-2Den&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=qAs-z5lsx1qg4ORlIggZJ8rKxoygReIR_xCeVaO37qo&m=keGfGLsIN-TrsUyq6J8Hll4c8mtgR2gWtFTxWIhnHO8&s=DIrR5O8Lniz67IfL0a61_THL4PHi3yp0NJtAXtCcAVs&e=>
as
the final version after public comment, and then IP to undertake its
evaluation.

Best Regards
Kuldeep Patnaik

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:42 PM Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <
pitinan.koo at icann.org> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Ajay,
>
>
>
> This is well noted. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pitinan
>
>
>
> *From: *Ajay Data <ajay at data.in>
> *Date: *Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 19:09
> *To: *Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>, "
> Neobrahmigp at icann.org" <Neobrahmigp at icann.org>, "
> kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com" <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>, "unsciil51 at gmail.com" <
> unsciil51 at gmail.com>, "mdk at cdac.in" <mdk at cdac.in>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Oriya LGR v2.12 - 06mar19
>
>
>
> Hello Pitinan,
>
> Please take the proposals to IP as final from NBGP side.
>
> As already discussions have happened, this are minor final changes, just
> give 24 hours after submitting to NBGP list and if you don't hear anything
> take all the proposals to IP.
>
> You don't need to wait for OK for every LGR proposal.
>
> Hope it will help to speed up.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ajay
>
> On March 6, 2019 9:05:18 PM GMT+09:00, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <
> pitinan.koo at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Dear NBGP members,
>
>
>
> Please find attached the Oriya LGR v2.12 dated 6 March 2019. This version
> has been updated in consultation with Kuldeep and he agreed to publish this
> package at the proposals’ webpage [icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_lgr-2Dproposals-2D2015-2D12-2D01-2Den&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=qAs-z5lsx1qg4ORlIggZJ8rKxoygReIR_xCeVaO37qo&m=1xOFeBQIkM0W8uQB3EgxNnJbMLp5CJSeIJ9khV9VfEo&s=ZmrrWxDVJGrGOJFwr5UEK2G1jwbGpApqS4rz5AXaJu0&e=>
> .
>
>
>
> We will inform the NBPG once the files are published.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pitinan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Pitinan Kooarmornpatana <pitinan.koo at icann.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 22:12
> *To: *Kuldeep Patnaik <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>, Ajay Data <ajay at data.in>,
> Udaya Narayana Singh <unsciil51 at gmail.com>, Mahesh D Kulkarni <mdk at cdac.in
> >
> *Subject: *Oriya LGR v2.12 - 06mar19
>
>
>
> Dear Kuldeep,
>
>
>
> Please find the Oriya LGR Package version 2.12 dated 6 March 2019 as
> attached.
>
> The IP feedback has been incorporated in consultation with you, please see
> edit log below.
>
>
>
> Kindly review and finalize. Then share the final package to the NBGP list,
> asking us to publish the package at the proposals’ webpage [icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_lgr-2Dproposals-2D2015-2D12-2D01-2Den&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=qAs-z5lsx1qg4ORlIggZJ8rKxoygReIR_xCeVaO37qo&m=keGfGLsIN-TrsUyq6J8Hll4c8mtgR2gWtFTxWIhnHO8&s=DIrR5O8Lniz67IfL0a61_THL4PHi3yp0NJtAXtCcAVs&e=>
> as the final version after public comment.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pitinan
>
>
>
> *From: *Neobrahmigp <neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad
> Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, March 4, 2019 at 10:22
> *To: *"kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com" <kuldeep.patnaik3 at gmail.com>, "
> Neobrahmigp at icann.org" <Neobrahmigp at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Neobrahmigp] Oriya LGR v2.11 - 20190220
>
>
>
> Dear Kuldeep and NBGP members,
>
> IP has suggested some minor edits to consider before final submission of
> the proposal, listed in their message below.
>
> As next steps, once these edits are incorporated, the proposal will be
> published at the proposals’ webpage [icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_lgr-2Dproposals-2D2015-2D12-2D01-2Den&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=qAs-z5lsx1qg4ORlIggZJ8rKxoygReIR_xCeVaO37qo&m=keGfGLsIN-TrsUyq6J8Hll4c8mtgR2gWtFTxWIhnHO8&s=DIrR5O8Lniz67IfL0a61_THL4PHi3yp0NJtAXtCcAVs&e=>
> as the final version after public comment, and then IP will undertake its
> evaluation.
>
> Regards,
> Sarmad
> ------------------------------
>
> TO: NeoBrahmi Generation Panel
> FROM: Integration Panel
>
> We have reviewed the updated Oriya proposal dated 20 Feb 2019 and found
> several issues that require a quick fix, plus a few additional suggestions
> for improved text. In one case identical text in DOCx and XML relies on
> terminology not defined in either document - this requires new text to be
> written by the GP that gives the necessary explanation in terms the
> (non-native/non-expert) reader can follow.
>
> The required fixes apply to both the document and the XML.
>
> There is an additional MUST FIX item each for DOCx and XML as a result of
> clerical error in preparing the LGR.
>
> Additional edits are recommended to the attention of the GP.
>
> - Integration Panel
>
>
>
> *DOCX*:
>
>
>
> (1) MUST FIX: on p. 20 the Unicode name for 0B2F was unaccountably changed
> from YA to JA and now incorrectly duplicates the name for 0B1C. (Oriya has
> both a JA and a YA.)
>
> This change should be backed out and the correct character name  YA used
> for 0B2F.
>
>  Done.
>
> (2) both the proposal and the XML mention the word "varga" without
> explaining it. This is most likely due to some copying and pasting of text
> from other proposals. However, non-specialist readers will not be able to
> understand the description of Anusvara in Oriya if it relies on terms not
> introduced in the proposal document. Here are the two uses in Section 3.11:
>
> "that particular varga"  --- which one?
>
> "non-varga consonant"  --- what is that?
>
> This should definitely be fixed, even if it requires a bit of
> new/rewritten text. The IP recommendation is to either rewrite the
> description without relying on the term "varga",  or find a way to gloss
> the term in passing; alternatively, provide a fuller discussion (more
> appropriate for the DOCx than the XML).
>
>  Updated the paragraph to be:
>
> Anusvara replaces a conjunct group of a Nasal Consonant+Halant+Consonant
> belonging to that particular varga (plosive), representing a homorganic
> nasal. Before a non-varga (non-plosive) consonant the Anusvara represents a
> nasal sound. For example: ଏବଂ/ēbaṁ /(U+0B0F, U+0B2C, U+0B02) (means:
> and), ସଂଖ୍ୟା/ saṁkhyā / (U+0B38, U+0B02, U+0B16, U+0B4D, U+0B5F, U+0B3E)
> (means: number), etc.
>
> *XML*
>
> In the Section "Character Classes"
>
> (1) the subsection for Halant could be edited as follows:
>
>     <p>Halant: A Halant, also known as Virama, is used after a consonant
> to "strip"
>     it of its inherent vowel. The Halant form of a consonant is the form
> produced by adding the Halant,
>     encoded as U+0B4D ( ୍ ) ORIYA SIGN VIRAMA
>     to the nominal shape. A Halant follows all but the last consonant in
> every Oriya
>     syllable. More details in Section 3.7, "The Implicit Vowel Killer
> Halant" of the [Proposal].</p>
>
> The subsection header should be the name of the character class, not the
> title of the section in the proposal; other suggested edits are for
> consistency.
>
>  Done.
>
> (2) This also applies to the subsection for Visarga:
>
>     <p>Visarga: U+0B03 ORIYA SIGN VISARGA is frequently used in Sanskrit
> and represents a sound
>     very close to /h/. More details in Section 3.9, "Visarga & Avagraha"
> of the [Proposal].</p>
>
> The "Avagraha" is not part of the repertoire in this XML and therefore
> this subsection should be named only after the Visarga (even if the
> proposal subsection does discuss both).
>
> Done.
>
>
>
>
> (3) Nasalization: Candrabindu: section in <description>.
>
> First, "Nasalization" is not a character class, therefore, it ought to be
> made a subheader.
>
> Change <p>Nasalization: Candrabindu ...
>
> to
>
>     <h3>Nasalization:</h3>
>     <p>Candrabindu....
>
> Done.
>
>
>
> (4) in the Anusvara: section, there is the use of "varga" which is not
> explained in the XML  (and which presents a real problem for the integrated
> Root Zone LGR as users are normally not expected to read the [Proposal]
> first.)
>
> This must be reformulated (see comment for DOCx above). The same (or
> similar) language should be used in both DOCx and XML, if possible, but
> keeping in mind the different focus: readers of the XML care more about how
> a character class is used in identifiers than how it features in writing
> text.
>
>
>
> This is a MUST FIX.
>
>
>
> (5) in the WLE rules section, perhaps add the number of each WLE rule as
> follows:
>
>      <li>1. N: must be preceded only by C1</li>
>      <li>1. B: must be preceded by V, C, N or M</li>
>      <li>3. X: must be preceded by V, C, N or M</li>
>      <li>4. D: must be preceded by V, C, N or M</li>
>      <li>5. H: must be preceded by C or N</li>
>      <li>6. M: must be preceded by C or N</li>
>
> Done. ( 1 – 6 )
>
>
>
> (6) MUST FIX:
>
>     In the XML, the type attribute of the <var> elements for 101D and 1031
> should be "out-of-repertoire-var" and not "out-of-repertoire".
>
>  Done.
>
> *TXT*
>
>  *No changes, so not tested.*
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