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Please ignore the Previous mail and find the attached updated draft of Tamil LGR to be sent for IP review. I had received few comments from Sri Lankan Tamil expert and Pitinan.
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Thanks and regards,
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Dr.Shanmugam R.
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<br/>On February 12, 2018 at 5:56 PM "Dr. Shanmugam R." <shanmugamr@cdac.in> wrote:
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Dear All,
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Please find the attached updated draft of Tamil LGR to be sent for IP review. I had received few comments from Sri Lankan Tamil expert and Pitinan.
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Thanks and regards,
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Dr.Shanmugam R.
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<br/>On February 9, 2018 at 8:05 PM Akshat Joshi <akshatj@cdac.in> wrote:
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<br/> Please find attached, further modified draft of the Devanagari LGR to be sent to IP review.
<br/> Supporting Document - (Filename: LGR-Proposal_Devanagari_20180130.docx & PDF)
<br/> Main Document - (Filename: Proposed-LGR-Deva-20180130.xml)
<br/> Valid-Invalid Labels - (Filename: Devanagari LGR-Valid_Invalid Labels.txt)
<br/> Variant Labels - (Filename: Devanagari LGR - Variant Producing Labels.txt)
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<br/> It has been modified as per the previous suggestions from the IP. A point by point response from NBGP on the corrections made is also attached.
<br/> (Filename: Response to IP-response-on-Devanagari-20180102-v3.docx & PDF)
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<br/> If there are no significant changes suggested by NBGP members, the same may be forwarded to IP for their review.
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<br/> Having said that, would like to bring following points on the discussion table about cross-script variants among DV and Gurmukhi. As per my earlier mail dated 31st Jan 2018, on DV and Gurmukhi cross-script variants, we had agreed upon two cases out of three. Both of them have been considered in this recent draft.
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<br/> Further similar cases were observed for two more pairs.
<br/> 1. U+0A1C ( ਜ ) being variant with U+0924 (त) as well as U+0924 U+094D U+0924 (त्त):
<br/> Proposed change: Again, since it has been decided that no same script homoglyphic variants will be proposed, one of the variants needs to be dropped. In this case U+0924 (त) is proposed to be dropped.
<br/> (This has been dropped in current Draft. However community is requested to discuss and provide feedback)
<br/> 2. U+0A27 ( ਧ ) being variant with U+092A (प) as well as U+092F (य):
<br/> Proposed change: For the same reason as above, U+092F (य) is proposed to be dropped.
<br/> (This has been dropped in current Draft. However community is requested to discuss and provide feedback)
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<br/> Also, from previous discussion one point was still open on which there was no agreement. Given below.
<br/> Point: U+0947 (े) which has U+0946 ( ॆ) as Variant in DV, following combination should also be admitted as cross-script variant in DV and Gurmukhi. They also look-alike in our opinion.
<br/> प्टॆ U+092A U+094D U+091F U+0946 (Devanagari)
<br/> ਏ U+0A0F (Gurmukhi)
<br/> (This has NOT been added in current Draft. However community is requested to discuss and provide feedback)
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<br/> Also, please note that the way you will see these characters in your Email Client / on browser, it is just one form of representation of those. That cannot provide a larger perspective about general shaping tendency of those characters. Hence it is requested that they been seen from a broader lens of cross-script confusability in case you do not see them to be similar enough. A good way of ensuring this is to see those characters in different fonts.
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<br/> On 16-01-2018 17:58, Akshat Joshi wrote:
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<span style="display: block;">> > Dear All, > > The draft has been further modified for a slight correction in > non-normative Cross-script variants in Appendix. > > Please find the same attached. > > Regards, > > Akshat Joshi > > > > On 16-01-2018 00:41, Akshat Joshi wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> The Devanagari LGR Document has been modified to reflect the >> cross-script variant analysis carried out recently. >> >> The Devanagari-Gurmukhi variants have been modified and separated >> in two sections that of normative and non-normative. >> >> The cross-script variants of Devanagari Visarga with the respective >> Visarga characters in Gujarati, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam and >> Sinhala have been added to non-normative section as it is a >> singular case and complete cross-script variants cannot be formed >> with them. >> >> The XML has not been updated I would require Dr. Sarmad/Pitinan's >> guidance in incorporating sequence based cross-script variants. >> >> Regards, Akshat Joshi >> >> >> >> >> On January 2, 2018 at 5:25 PM Akshat Joshi <a href="mailto:akshatj@cdac.in"><akshatj@cdac.in></a> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> As per the discussions in the Colombo meeting, I have added the >>> Nukta Variants in the appendix in the non-normative section in >>> Devanagari LGR. >>> >>> All the files required have been attached. >>> >>> Also, the file containing valid and invalid labels has been split >>> for each category separately. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Akshat Joshi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07-12-2017 18:47, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Further to the comments received from Integration Panel on 27th >>>> Nov. 2017, Devanagari LGR Drafts (Doc file, XML) have been >>>> revised and are attached. >>>> >>>> In addition, I have also attached sample strings (created by >>>> Neha Gupta) that are supposed to be validated and invalidated >>>> by the said draft. >>>> >>>> As discussed in con-call on 30th Nov. 2017, we would be >>>> submitting the same to Integration Panel on 16th Dec. 2017 for >>>> their final comments. If draft is accepted by them without any >>>> changes, it will be considered as a final submission from NBGP >>>> to IP and will then undergo public comments process. >>>> >>>> Request all to provide feedback on the same before 15th Dec. >>>> 2017 for any changes sought. As I would be leaving for Sri >>>> Lanka F2F on 11th night, comments received before that would >>>> enable me to integrate them in the document easily. Still, you >>>> may provide the comments by 15th. >>>> >>>> If there are no comments, request the co-chairs to send all the >>>> documents to IP with following remarks: >>>> >>>> ------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------% >>>> >>>> >>>> </span>1. Devanagari LGR Drafts (Doc file, XML) have been revised as per the comments received from Integration Panel on 27th Nov. 2017 (Attached)
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<span style="display: block;">>>>> >>>> 2. Sample Input strings (to be validated and invalidated) have >>>> also been provided in an Excel file. (Attached) >>>> >>>> 3. Almost all the edits and additions (both in Main document as >>>> well as in XML) suggested by the IP have been carried out, >>>> hence there is no separate document attached with NBGP remarks. >>>> There are only two remarks from NBGP as given below. >>>> >>>> - After due analysis for cross-script variants of Devanagari >>>> characters with all other scripts, DV LGR lists cross-script >>>> variants only with Gurmukhi script based on "visual >>>> confusability". As they are not "exactly similar", they have >>>> been added in the Appendix (A) and not made part of normative >>>> recommendation. They have also not been added to the XML. NBGP >>>> requests IP to advise if these cases are to be made part of >>>> proposed variants despite belonging to "visual confusability" >>>> case. >>>> >>>> 2. The edit suggested in "Variant Disposition" has not been >>>> taken in toto. The use of the term "mutually exclusive" as used >>>> to refer to the variants is not clear hence that line is >>>> dropped. NBGP can add the same if the wording is an absolute >>>> must, after due consultation with the IP. Request the IP >>>> feedback on the same. >>>> >>>> ------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------%------------% >>>> >>>> >>>> </span>Regards,
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<span style="display: block;">>>>> >>>> Akshat Joshi >>>> >>>> C-DAC GIST >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-11-2017 15:18, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> As per the comments received from Dr. Raiomod Doctor and >>>>> Prof. Uma Maheshwar Rao, please find attached, further >>>>> refined version of the DV LGR. >>>>> >>>>> General nature of changes: >>>>> >>>>> - Terminology modification: Anunasika word dropped from >>>>> Chandrabindu category as it has different connotations >>>>> >>>>> - correction in referring B and D categories in one place >>>>> >>>>> - Two characters added to valid nukta sequences >>>>> >>>>> - Elaboration on the concept of schwa >>>>> >>>>> - Minor grammatical corrections >>>>> >>>>> In addition to this, have added Devanagari section of MSR >>>>> chart before the code-point repertoire to give reader of the >>>>> full picture. >>>>> >>>>> Sending this before call in order to solicit comments on >>>>> these changes as well. Comments on earlier version are also >>>>> welcome. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Akshat Joshi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 14-11-2017 17:51, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please find attached, final revised draft of Devanagari LGR >>>>>> to be submitted to Integration Panel (IP) for their >>>>>> comments/feedback. Both .doc and .pdf versions are given. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of the changes as suggested by the IP in their feedback >>>>>> have been accommodated and our feedback to the same is also >>>>>> attached. Filename: Response to IP Feedback on Devanagari >>>>>> LGR Draft-20171011-4.docx >>>>>> >>>>>> XML file i.e. Normative version of the DV-LGR has also been >>>>>> updated and attached. Filename: >>>>>> Proposed-LGR-Deva-20171114.xml >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Akshat Joshi >>>>>> >>>>>> C-DAC GIST >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11-10-2017 16:46, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please find attached, Draft Devanagari LGR copy which may >>>>>>> be sent to Integration Panel for their detailed review. >>>>>>> Only house-keeping changes are still needed which mostly >>>>>>> pertain to the non-normative sections of both the >>>>>>> documents. In XML, descriptive text needs to be added >>>>>>> while in LGR doc file, names of members who all >>>>>>> contributed, need to be added. I will soon and share the >>>>>>> changes tracked version of the same. As I am out of town >>>>>>> till 13th Oct, will do that post 13th. The list of valid >>>>>>> and invalid words will also be shared post 13st at the >>>>>>> earliest possible time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the changes as suggested by the IP in their >>>>>>> feedback have been accommodated. Following is short >>>>>>> summary of changes and replies to earlier IP feedback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Halant ending variant has been removed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Nepali corpus words getting invalidated: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As rightly pointed by IP, all the below words are invalid >>>>>>> as per Nepali writing norms, hence they did not pass the >>>>>>> test. Wrong construct ऒ् i.e. V + H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> शऒ्ढया (0936 0912 094D 0922 092F 093E) शऒ्ढयाका (0936 >>>>>>> 0912 094D 0922 092F 093E 0915 093E) शऒ्ढयाको (0936 0912 >>>>>>> 094D 0922 092F 093E 0915 094B) शऒ्ढयालगायत (0936 0912 >>>>>>> 094D 0922 092F 093E 0932 0917 093E 092F 0924) शैऒ्ढयाको >>>>>>> (0936 0948 0912 094D 0922 092F 093E 0915 094B) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. "अफगानिस्तान" should have passed the test. In this XML >>>>>>> version it does. Not sure what must have went wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Hindi Corpus: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> सू़जन (0938 0942 093C 091C 0928) - Wrong sequence >>>>>>> Cons+Matra+Nukta अरब़ (0905 0930 092C 093C) - Ba+Nukta >>>>>>> is not permissible. Maybe a typo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. All the references pertaining to INSCRIPT standard >>>>>>> have been withdrawn as it is not available online, being >>>>>>> a paid resource. Instead, omniglot references have been >>>>>>> added. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6. Rationale for excluded code-points could not be added. >>>>>>> Will be added soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my opinion, Dr. Sarmad you may please take this to the >>>>>>> IP if there are no immediate substantial comments on the >>>>>>> mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Akshat Joshi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C-DAC GIST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08-09-2017 00:29, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please find attached, copy of the Devanagari LGR which >>>>>>>> can be submitted to Integration Panel for their early >>>>>>>> comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Devanagari LGR document is also accompanied with >>>>>>>> the XML file of the same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Data you may please take this to the IP with >>>>>>>> following points: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. In the XML, framing of the rule >>>>>>>> "follows-only-C-or-CN" has been done as per our >>>>>>>> understanding. It may need corrections. Request IP to >>>>>>>> suggest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Variants: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - As per reciprocity of variants, the variant sequences >>>>>>>> have been reproduced in the <data> section. It may need >>>>>>>> corrections. Request IP to suggest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - The "Halant ending" variants mentioned in section 6.2 >>>>>>>> in LGR document is a case of conditional and null >>>>>>>> variant. It was not clear how to put that in XML. It >>>>>>>> has not been done. Request IP to suggest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Some of the language's data is expected to be >>>>>>>> received in few days. Once received, that too will be >>>>>>>> incorporated into this. Those have been marked in red. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Akshat Joshi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 28-08-2017 17:58, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please find attached, most recent version of the >>>>>>>>> Devangari LGR with all the suggestions/changes >>>>>>>>> incorporated till date. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are still in process of getting information on the >>>>>>>>> languages which use Devanagari, fall within EGIDS >>>>>>>>> scale 1 to 4 and are yet to be covered by the NBGP. >>>>>>>>> If we can complete that by end of August, we will >>>>>>>>> release the final version of the Devanagari LGR >>>>>>>>> document which can be sent to Integration Panel for >>>>>>>>> their review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope this pre-final draft will act as a good basis >>>>>>>>> for tomorrow's call. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are two things that I have marked in red in the >>>>>>>>> document. 1. The name of the accompanying XML file >>>>>>>>> which we will finalize after the finalization of the >>>>>>>>> LGR rules and repertoire. You may please ignore that >>>>>>>>> for now. 2. Some of the languages which are yet to be >>>>>>>>> taken into account >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Major changes done to the document are: 1. Changes >>>>>>>>> suggested by Dr. Bal regarding name change to Newar >>>>>>>>> and Nepali being official language of Nepal 2. >>>>>>>>> Additional Halanta ending variant has been added (up >>>>>>>>> for discussion) 3. Principles for inclusion of >>>>>>>>> characters have been added in Guiding Principles >>>>>>>>> section (up for discussion) 4. The case of V preceded >>>>>>>>> by an H has been explicitly mentioned under the WLE >>>>>>>>> section (up for discussion) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Akshat Joshi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 04-08-2017 17:57, Akshat Joshi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please find attached, draft LGR document for >>>>>>>>>> Devanagari. Request all to give the feedback on the >>>>>>>>>> same so that it can be finally modified for sending >>>>>>>>>> across to the Integration Panel for comments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are two things that I have marked in red in >>>>>>>>>> the document. 1. The name of the accompanying XML >>>>>>>>>> file which we will finalize after the finalization >>>>>>>>>> of the LGR rules and repertoire. You may please >>>>>>>>>> ignore that for now. 2. Some of the languages which >>>>>>>>>> are yet to be taken into account >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Apart from that, I have taken into consideration >>>>>>>>>> the feedback received for Nepali and Newari . 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