<div dir="ltr">Uma Ji,<div>I feel Rule 7 is necessary. Rule 7 does not follow Rule 2.</div><div>From Rule 2, we can infer that *CH is valid as well as *CHV is also valid, while Rule 7 states that HV or *CHV are both invalid.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:32 PM, Uma Maheshwar G <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:guraohyd@gmail.com" target="_blank">guraohyd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Akshat, Congratulations for the realization of the final version with all the accessories. I am sure Devanagari LGR would remain a model for all NBGP LGRs. I went through it with a great interest. It may not be out of date if I can raise a point that needs some clarification.
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black">Sorry for this late observation: In my view the following
requires to be reviewed in Devanagari LGR.<span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black">Comment on
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">WLE rule in</span> Devanagari LGR:<span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black">In the presence of the following Rule <span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-indent:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><span><span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt">2. H: must be
preceded by C or CN </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)">of WLE rules:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black">the Rule: <span> </span>“<span style="font-size:11.5pt">7. V: Can <b>NOT </b>be preceded by H (details in
"Case of V preceded by H") “ is only redundant or vacuous and in my view it shall
be with drawn. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-Default" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:black"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Rule 2. Can be interpreted as <span> </span>cases like syllables of CH, CNH are valid and
all other, such as *VH, *XH, MH, BH, DH are invalid and similarly, *HV,<span> </span>*HC, *HCN, *HM, *HB, *HD are also invalid. Thus, the outcome of the rule 7 i.e. *HV is redundant. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">And if this is true then the sub <span style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Courier New"">list
of valid and invalid labels as per the WLE rules of the following shall be
withdrawn.</span><span></span></p>
<p class="m_6849222246684054138gmail-MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">#Valid - Case of
"V: Can NOT be preceded by H (details in "Case of V preceded by
H")"<span></span></span></p>
<pre style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Since the Devanagari LGR stands as the reference model for all other Indian<span> </span>LGRs it needs to be cleared of such redundancy.<span> <wbr> </span><span> </span><span> <wbr> <wbr> </span>The following cases hardly occur and hardly acceptable.<span> </span><span> <wbr> </span><span> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">#Invalid - Case of "V: Can NOT be preceded by H (details in "Case of V preceded by H")"<span></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span lang="HI" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Mangal,serif;color:black">आम्अचार</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><span> </span>a compound where the Halant is unnecessary.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><span></span></span></pre><pre style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span lang="HI" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Mangal,serif;color:black">स्वागत्आपका</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><span> </span>two words in sequence, where the first word must end by a boundary.</span><span> -gurao</span></pre>
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Please find attached, modified Devanagari LGR document with all the changes as suggested by IP accommodated/responded to. This is accompanied with following files.
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1. Devanagari LGR modified XML file. ( modified as per IP feedback and additional Bengali cross-script variants)
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2. Test Labels file (with more labels covering almost entire character-set, all the exclusion code-points) (Thanks to Neha Gupta for this.)
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3. A separate file that contains the labels that produce variants.
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4. Response to IP for each of the individual changes suggested by them.
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As discussed during the F2F I have added the possible Bengali cross-script variants in Devanagari.
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Additional text regarding ZWJ and ZWNJ has also been added which can (and most probably should) be used by all the other script LGRs (Last paragraph of Point 4.1.2.1 ii)
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Gurumukhi variants have also been harmonized and the tables updated accordingly.
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<span>While we await the responses on the mailing list for extensive cross-script analysis of other scripts with Devanagari (I have already heard from Malayalam, Tamil, Telugu, Gurmukhi, Bengali and Gujarati about not having any additional cases of cross-script variants) <span>I have already added the line in Devanagari LGR that no cases were found</span>. </span>
<span>As I am travelling from tomorrow onwards for a week, I may have limited connectivity hence sending in advance. Once we get confirmation from all the scripts (which we most probably will), I request co-chairs to consider as a submission to IP.</span>
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<br>On March 30, 2018 at 11:44 PM Sarmad Hussain <<a href="mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org" target="_blank">sarmad.hussain@icann.org</a>> wrote:
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<p>1) IP response for Devanagari <span> (Proposal of 2018-01-30)</span> <br> 2) LGR proposal, as originally sent<br> 3) Current associated XML</p>
<p><span style="color:windowtext">You are requested to kindly consider the feedback and update the proposal accordingly. Please let us know if you have any queries.</span></p>
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