[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Public WHOIS After May 2018

Thu Dec 7 13:28:57 UTC 2017

Another shot across the bow indeed.

I have never and could never believe that the parties did not know what the
WP29 been carrying on about. Different views are applied by different power
bases.

Historically the majority of registries had simply make common cause with
ICANN and largely ignore WP29 declarations. I now suspect with the prospect
of huge fines for violation, it may cleave the registries from the several
ICANN Rube Goldberg contraptions that are instituted (like that Handling
Conflict with Local Laws one!) and allow them to finally unhinge the "joint
controller" status.

Or, the Europeans may be reminded they are no longer masters of the
universe.  Either way, a delicious food fight in the offing.

-Carlton

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On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:06 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
wrote:

> This just came in:
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-
> pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf
>
> The Article 29 WP wrote ICANN again, reiterating their position against
> public whois very clearly. As the WP is made up of the DPAs that would
> actually enforce the GDPR, the letter cannot be understood in any other way
> as than a warning to ICANN and by extention its contracted parties to make
> sure everything is compliant by May 25 next year. They also go out of their
> way to clarify why they do not agree with any of the many reasons usually
> given how public whois could be legal processing after all.
>
> Even though the letter does not contain anything new to those that have
> paid any attention in the past ten years, it it unprecedented in its
> clarity.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 06.12.2017 um 11:28 schrieb Erika Mann:
>
> Volker, hi -
>
> yes, that's correct. A given consent can be withdrawn. Nonetheless the
> legitimate interest based clauses remain (processing data lawfully) remain
> intact, in particular in relation to data between business entities.
>
> I spoke few days ago to Butterelli who's the head of the European Data
> Protection Supervisor and he said that he's expecting that remaining
> guidelines from the entity he's overseeing will be issued in February 2018.
> Many things will become clearer then. Keep in mind the GDPR is a messy law,
> insofar as many legal interpretations were not included in the law but need
> further explanations (guidelines). One needs to keep in mind as well that
> the ECJ will allow national interpretations that go beyond the GDPR, in
> particular in consumer right areas.
>
> It's a messy process.
>
> I'm finalizing by the end of next week a short overview about all the
> aspects one needs to consider. Happy to share this with this group. This
> overview is done for companies based outside the EU in a major third
> country.
>
> Cheers,
> Erika
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Volker Greimann <
> vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erika,
>>
>> interesting, but I do not see how to construct voluntary, freely given
>> consentin this context. Sure, we can ask registrants to give consent, but
>> they must be free to refuse it or withdraw it at a later time without
>> consequence to their registration request.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Volker
>>
>> Am 06.12.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Erika Mann:
>>
>> Not even fully accurate. One can continue to publish core data based on
>> legitimate interest grounds and with an explicit consent declaration. I
>> think people are not really understanding the GDPR well.
>>
>> Erika
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Carlton Samuels <
>> carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ..this fella says he's only reporting what TUCOWS say a public whois
>>> record would resemble come GDPR implementation next year.
>>>
>>> https://domainnamewire.com/2017/12/05/wow-public-whois-look-like-2018/
>>>
>>>
>>> -Carlton
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