[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services

Thu Jun 7 14:37:56 UTC 2018

I do not support any attempt to introduce an obligation for service 
providers to violate the privacy of their customers simply for purposes 
of "checks".

The PPSAI WG has made very specific decisions regarding the obligations 
of service providers regarding data quality. It is not our place to 
question these decisions which have been approved by the GNSO and the 
board and are now on their final stretch of implementation.

Our report should only say: "thank you ICANN, job well done!"

Anything beyond that is a job for the review of the policy after it has 
been implemented for a while.

Volker

Am 06.06.2018 um 20:21 schrieb Carlton Samuels:
> Hi Lili:
> See my comments in line.
>
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> On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 10:21 PM, SUN Lili <L.SUN at interpol.int 
> <mailto:L.SUN at interpol.int>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Privacy & Proxy subgroup members,
>
>     I went through the draft report of this subgroup on wiki page
>     (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717
>     <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717>)
>     and step in with my concerns:
>
>     1.To the Data Accuracy subgroup, the Whois accuracy of domain
>     names that utilize Privacy and Proxy Services is invisible. And
>     Volker also mentioned that this will be dealt with in the Privacy
>     & Proxy subgroup.
>
> Under current rules, the accredited P/P provider is obliged to ensure 
> contactability of customer of his service. That this is the case 
> cannot be verified independently and some of us have argued from 
> inception this is a major hole in the agreement. We have alternately 
> argued that there should be graded penalties for this violation after 
> the fact.
>
>     As such, I strongly support Susan’s comments on “6 Conducting
>     periodic due diligence checks on customer contact information” and
>     “8 Providing clear and unambiguous guidance on the rights and
>     responsibilities of registered name holders, and how those should
>     be managed in the privacy/proxy environment.” There is no reason
>     for a customer who chose P/P service thus been protected from
>     responsibilities.
>
> See above. We expect that the risk triage will allow the cost of 
> violation to pass to the customer.
>
>     2.There is no indication about the legacy domain names that
>     utilize P/P Services before the provider been accredited. Will it
>     be a similar situation as Grandfathered domains?
>
> Some of us have argued that there should be a Privacy/Proxy Data 
> Accuracy Reminder policy along the line of the WHOIS Data reminder. It 
> was not accepted. But there is no reason the P/P provider cannot be 
> obliged and bound to it in terms of the accreditation for renewals. 
>
>     3.Like the example I gave during the 2^nd F2F meeting, if there is
>     not enough regulation and overseeing in place, P/P service is very
>     likely to be abused. To be clear, I elaborated the example in a
>     word document (see attached). Do we really need this kind of fake
>     prosperity of domain industry?
>
>     A response from this subgroup is much appreciated.
>
> Best,
> -Carlton
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Lili
>
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