[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Jun 12 16:18:48 UTC 2018
You are touching upon a point that is indeed part of the puzzle for this
subgroup. In my view, we should look at how ICANN as a whole has picked
up the recommendation and acted to implement it. In many ways, this RT
is scheduled too early to review this particular body of work as we
cannot analyze the effect of an implementation that has not happened yet.
So what remains to be done is to review how ICANN has picked up the ball
thrown by the first RT, and in that, we can with confidence state that
it has implemented this recommendation as detailed in the action plan:
(https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/Implementation%20of%20WHOIS%20Review%20Team%20Recommendations%20-%20Final_0.pdf)
and based on the work that followed it, such as the PDP.
Unless we can find evidence that would allow us to state with confidence
that an essential element intended by the initial recommendation has
been overlooked in all the work that has occurred since then we should
take a step back and see how the current work product of the ICANN
community plays out. The issue of who gets what access to he data and
how was deliberated in great detail on the list and during the calls of
the PDP as part of the discussions of its Charter Question Categories F
(Reveal and Relay) and G (Termination).
The original RT proposed that the regulation or overseeing of such
services could be the establishment of an accreditation system. This is
in the final stages right now. We simply cannot make the determination
whether it is fit for purpose or not as we have no data pointing either
way.
Am 12.06.2018 um 04:38 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> First of all, if the P/P service is in the scope of this RT, and the
> work has not been implemented yet, then what could be reviewed at this
> stage? If the PDP is listed as a forbidden area, we can simply rule
> out this topic.
>
> Secondly, according to the previous communication with Volker, it
> seems that all the concerns I raised have been exposed and discussed
> within the PDP. As such, I was wondering how these were dealt, to what
> extent. I couldn’t find anything useful with a simple conclusion that
> it’s none of the business of this RT.
>
> Lili
>
> *From:*RDS-WHOIS2-RT [mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephanie Perrin
> *Sent:* Monday, 11 June, 2018 11:38 PM
> *To:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup Report of
> Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> I must say that while I understand the concerns of GAC members very
> well, the PDP spent a great deal of time on the PPSAI. Then we spent
> a great deal of time at the GNSO, dealing with GAC objections. I
> personally felt that the compromise reached left some doors swinging
> open, but that was a Board decision, if I recall correctly. In any
> event, I do agree with Volker that it is not our place to replace that
> policy with our opinions at this point. Further, I expect there will
> be disagreement within the group on the issues.
>
> Stephanie
>
> On 2018-06-11 11:32, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
> I have very strong feelings on parts of the community trying to
> backdoor things into policy that have been discussed by an actual
> PDP and had been taken into account. What would be the point of
> doing a PDP otherwise if anyone can come afterwards and try to
> shoehorn their own agenda into the process?
>
> If the community has decided the matter, that is that.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 11.06.2018 um 17:25 schrieb Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu
> <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Just a request on how we communicate - please avoid personal
> sniping like here below.
>
> I agree with Lili on this one. We cannot just block comments
> based on the rationale that a PDP had a certain outcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Cathrin
>
> *From:*RDS-WHOIS2-RT [mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces at icann.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Volker Greimann
> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2018 5:21 PM
> *To:* SUN Lili
> *Cc:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org <mailto:rds-whois2-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup
> Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> I think the community has reflected these thoughts in their
> recommendations in the PPSAI WG Report. Unless you want to
> reopen the careful balance struck by the WG and invalidate
> their work before it even has been implemented, I feel we
> should be very careful in making a recommendation that
> contradicts or changes the recommendations in that report.
>
> The PPSAI framework that has been proposed is anything but
> bulletproof with sufficient ways to gain access to the data.
>
> If the reult of the WG is not sufficient for your interests,
> maybe you should have gotten ivolved back when the WG was
> still in its deliberation phase?
>
> Volker
>
> Am 08.06.2018 um 10:47 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> Hi Volker and all,
>
> I met Mr David Conrad, Chief Technology Officer of ICANN
> today in Singapore. ICANN SSR team shares the same concern
> that P/P service could be abused as bulletproof service,
> and they need community’s inputs to work on it. In this
> context, I believe the findings of this RT could feed SSR
> team.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lili
>
> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 June, 2018 4:25 PM
> *To:* SUN Lili <L.SUN at interpol.int>
> <mailto:L.SUN at interpol.int>
> *Cc:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org <mailto:rds-whois2-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup
> Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> You are correct in that SSR of the DNS are the main target
> of the SSR team - not ours.
>
> I also tend to agree that many aspects of privacy services
> are rendered superfluous by GDPR and other privacy
> protection regulations, but the community has decided that
> the PPSAI work should be completed and implemented
> regardless. It is not our place to question community
> policy decisions that have been accepted by community
> consensus, passed by the GNSO council and the board and
> now in the final stages of implementation.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 06.06.2018 um 05:51 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> Hi Volker,
>
> I still have reservations about this.
>
> One of the mandates of ICANN is to maintain the
> Security, Stability and Resiliency of DNS, and DNS
> abuse mitigation is the main target of SSR team within
> ICANN. Once a new policy or service is launched,
> enough safeguards should be in place.
>
> The initial intention of P/P service is for personal
> information protection, the necessity of P/P service
> in post-GDPR implementation era need to be reviewed in
> my opinion.
>
> For RT’s consideration.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lili
>
> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June, 2018 11:21 PM
> *To:* SUN Lili <L.SUN at interpol.int>
> <mailto:L.SUN at interpol.int>
> *Cc:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org
> <mailto:rds-whois2-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the
> Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> Hi Lili,
>
> I would prefer a more reasonable approach as well.
>
> 2) it was a conscious decision that was made at the
> time by the parties involved in the negotiations and
> that was (and still is) supported by the members of
> the review team that I talked to. Further, asking
> contracted parties to reach out to registrants that
> they have little to no contact with over the years
> other than receiving payment once a year is a recipe
> for disaster and disenfranchisement of the registrants
> of these legacy domains. The only viable way to
> implement improvement of contactibility is included in
> the RAA and the upcoming privacy proxy accreditation
> agreement.
>
> 3) As I said, it is an issue, but not one ICANN can or
> should solve. This is one for the governments. Privacy
> services are also and will be even less in the future
> anything but bulletproof, as there are defined
> processes to obtain the data for legitimate
> requestors. And hosting services are outside the scope
> of ICANN anyway.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 05.06.2018 um 17:05 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> Hi Volker,
>
> I really don’t want to have such communication in
> the future.
>
> 2) from my perspective, it is also an assumption.
>
> 3) I’d suggest you to comment on something you
> have knowledge or really work on. How do you know
> the modus operandi behind the scene? And what’s
> your rational for such guess? As long as there is
> a loophole, the criminals will grasp it and
> exploit it. No state would be the lucky one.
> Bulletproof hosting service is not new anymore,
> I’m here talking P/P service could be abused as
> such service.
>
> Lili
>
> *From:*Volker Greimann
> [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June, 2018 10:41 PM
> *To:* SUN Lili <L.SUN at interpol.int>
> <mailto:L.SUN at interpol.int>
> *Cc:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org
> <mailto:rds-whois2-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the
> Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> Hi Lili,
>
> 1) I have no issue with noting that while the
> contactibility levels of privacy protected data
> (or of data redacted due to GDPR, for that matter)
> is difficult to measure, the obligation of privacy
> service providers to validate certain data fields
> and to verify one other field in the same manner
> as required by registrars adequately ensures
> sufficient contactibility is maintained, provided
> there obligations are adhered to, which we should
> expect.
>
> 2) The legacy should be of little concern. This
> has been debated at length in the RAA 2013
> negotiations and in other fora, but the gist of
> the matter is that abuse is more of an issue with
> newer domains, most of which are now registered
> under the 2013 RAA, whereas the domain names
> registered before that time have a significantly
> reduced risk of being registered for abusive
> purposes. And even if there is an issue, the
> registrant can now also be contacted by the
> registrar abuse contact which was also introduced
> through the 2013 RAA as an additional means to
> enable third parties to contact the registrant by
> means of the registrar. So even if it takes until
> the sun dies to digest the legacy, this should be
> a mnor issue.
>
> 3) This is an issue with extraterritoriality and
> the application and enforcement of national laws
> across borders. Good luck to Chinese authorities
> in enforcing their laws against foreign nationals
> that are not breaking their local laws and who
> will likely never come to China. I thought that is
> what your great cyberwall was for? ICANN has no
> role to play in this issue.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 05.06.2018 um 16:27 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> Hi Volker,
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
> For 1), if it is very hard to measure, then we
> should point it out, for the common sense is
> that the reliable information is there, just
> being protected from public access. LEAs are
> required court order issued by competent
> authority to have access to the information
> according to current PPSAI framework.
>
> For 2), my concern is how many years will it
> take to digest the legacy.
>
> For 3), my case study is only one example
> among many. Based on the business model, the
> content hosted could be anything, phishing,
> malware distributing, etc. Even the content is
> relating to porn or gambling, it is defined as
> illegal according to Chinese legislation. It’s
> Chinese authorities responsibility to take
> them down if there are victims of China.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lili
>
> *From:*RDS-WHOIS2-RT
> [mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Volker Greimann
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June, 2018 7:31 PM
> *To:* rds-whois2-rt at icann.org
> <mailto:rds-whois2-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about
> the Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services
>
> Hi Lili,
>
> thank you for your comments.
>
> 1) The question of reliability levels of data
> behind a privacy shield is very hard to
> measure, as no mechanism exists to properly
> conduct a study without violating the terms of
> the service. Possibly, an indication of
> reliability levels could be obtained from UDRP
> providers as they regularly deal with cases
> where the privacy service removes itself on
> the occurrence of a complaint, and therefore
> might have data on the reliability of the
> revealed data, however even then this sample
> would be skewed as most domains using whois
> privacy services are unlikely to be targets in
> a UDRP.
>
> 2) We assume that will be the case as touching
> all those existing customers is a near
> impossible task.
>
> 3) I reviewed your document, but I disagree
> with the assumptions therein. There was no
> indication or evidence of illegal use that I
> could determine. Porn and gambling, while
> distasteful are not necessarily illegal. So
> someone used a privacy service and registered
> a bunch of domains to serve such content to
> China. So what? Also, the fact that the
> redirect changed after a short while may point
> to the domains being parked with the incoming
> traffic being sold to the highest bidder, who
> at the time may have been a provider of such
> services.
>
> I can see no abuse of a privacy service here.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 03.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb SUN Lili:
>
> Dear Privacy & Proxy subgroup members,
>
> I went through the draft report of this
> subgroup on wiki page
> (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717)
> and step in with my concerns:
>
> 1.To the Data Accuracy subgroup, the Whois
> accuracy of domain names that utilize
> Privacy and Proxy Services is invisible.
> And Volker also mentioned that this will
> be dealt with in the Privacy & Proxy
> subgroup. As such, I strongly support
> Susan’s comments on “6 Conducting periodic
> due diligence checks on customer contact
> information” and “8 Providing clear and
> unambiguous guidance on the rights and
> responsibilities of registered name
> holders, and how those should be managed
> in the privacy/proxy environment.” There
> is no reason for a customer who chose P/P
> service thus been protected from
> responsibilities.
>
> 2.There is no indication about the legacy
> domain names that utilize P/P Services
> before the provider been accredited. Will
> it be a similar situation as Grandfathered
> domains?
>
> 3.Like the example I gave during the 2^nd
> F2F meeting, if there is not enough
> regulation and overseeing in place, P/P
> service is very likely to be abused. To be
> clear, I elaborated the example in a word
> document (see attached). Do we really need
> this kind of fake prosperity of domain
> industry?
>
> A response from this subgroup is much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lili
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> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - legal department -
>
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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>
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>
>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
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>
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> --
>
> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
>
> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
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> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
>
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - legal department -
>
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
>
> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
>
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - legal department -
>
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - legal department -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
> Web:www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
--------------------------------------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
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