[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] ICANN Proposal to adjust scope of RDS-WHOIS2-RT

Wed May 16 19:27:05 UTC 2018

I largely tend to agree, although I do believe 
that we are seeing a case of "Don't presume 
conspiracy when incompetence explain it".

But I do think we will have to spend some time 
crafting a reply to post to the comment once we 
get some hard financial data. That is a distraction we didn't need.

Alan

At 16/05/2018 02:08 PM, Susan Kawaguchi wrote:

>I agree with Chris, except on the secret motive, 
>and think we should continue on with our work 
>until the community provides their comments and 
>ICANN provides an in depth report on those 
>comments.  By that time we will have most of our 
>work completed.   I am working diligently to 
>provide the draft reports I am responsible for by the May 24th deadline.
>
>It should be business as usual.
>
>Hopefully, ICANN org will continue to learn about how to treat RT's.
>"Sigh"...
>
>On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Chris Disspain 
><<mailto:chris at disspain.uk>chris at disspain.uk> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>1. ICANN does not â€˜want to pauseâ€™. ICANN is 
>asking the community what they want to do. There 
>is no secret motive nor any attempt to manipulate the situation.
>
>2. I accept that a heads up would have been appropriate.
>
>3. Please let us try to concentrate on the 
>actual issue rather than the minor irritants. In 
>the same way as the RT has asked itself on a 
>number of occasions whether it can usefully 
>re-time its work, in the context of the 
>community looking at all reviews and figuring 
>out how best to manage them both from a resource 
>and budget point of view, it would be odd not to ask the same question.
>
>4. My personal view is that we should continue.
>
>5. I recommend that the RT respond to the call 
>for comment ASAP with a note acknowledging that 
>we serve at the behest of the community, 
>summarising where we are at with the work and 
>our timing going forward and saying that the RT 
>believes it should continue (assuming we do think that).
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>On 16 May 2018, at 07:23, Volker Greimann 
><<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi Alan,
>>
>>I absolutely agree that it is strange that 
>>ICANN seems to want to pause this without 
>>consulting us first. But as this is the cards 
>>we have been dealt, we need to figure out how 
>>to play them and in this case I vote for 
>>following the community consensus, if any.
>>
>>As for Monday, it is a public holiday that I will be travelling on.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Volker
>>
>>Am 16.05.2018 um 16:08 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>>Volker,
>>>
>>>Of course we serve at the pleasure of the community.
>>>
>>>The question is process and timing. That this 
>>>was done with no consultation with us, I find 
>>>strange. But the really difficult part is that 
>>>we are being told to keep on working (and I 
>>>have confirmed that this is the intent) with a 
>>>target of having a draft report complete just 
>>>after the July F2F, and at THAT point, we may 
>>>be told to scrap part of what we have been 
>>>working on between now an then, or put the 
>>>entire project on hold for some indeterminate 
>>>time, and when it resumes it may be with a 
>>>different team and much of the work will have to be redone.
>>>
>>>We will discuss this further at the Monday 
>>>meeting, and for those who will not be there, 
>>>your input is appreciated ahead of time.
>>>
>>>Susan has suggested that we go back to our 
>>>appointing groups for their input.
>>>
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 16/05/2018 06:03 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>We serve at the pleasure of
>>>>
>>>>the community, so I would not object to any
>>>>
>>>>consensus position either way. While a) is the most logical choice,
>>>>
>>>>preserving most of our work efforts so far, the others also have some
>>>>
>>>>merit due to the changes ahead. And as ICANN has just thrown another
>>>>
>>>>curve-ball in the form of the proposed temporary specification, more
>>>>
>>>>change seems to be on the horizon, which could further outdate our work
>>>>
>>>>product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Volker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Am 16.05.2018 um 04:30 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>>>
>>>> > I call your attention to a Public Comment (PC) launched yesterday
>>>>
>>>> > asking for input on alternatives to alter the RDS-WHOIS2-RT Scope
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>> > plans (as well possible changes to the not yet started ATRT3) -
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > I proposes three possible scenarios for our RT:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > a) Proceeds as planned;
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > b) reduce scope to just an analysis of the WHOIS1-RT
>>>>
>>>>Recommendations;
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > c) pause the review entirely for some as yet to be determined time.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > If recommended by the community, b) and c) would require our
>>>>
>>>> > agreement. The implications of a community recommendation that we
>>>>
>>>> > refused to agree with are not known. If there is a pause, it is not
>>>>
>>>> > clear when the unpause would happen and to what extent it would be
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>> > same team moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > The PC ends on 06 July 2018 and the report on input received is due
>>>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>> > 23 July 2018, a few days before we are currently planning to meet in
>>>>
>>>> > Brussels to close-to-finalize our report.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Although the PC was issues yesterday, neither I nor Susan and
>>>>
>>>>Cathrin
>>>>
>>>> > had any prior knowledge of it and in fact we only heard of it
>>>>
>>>>today.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > We have initiated discussions with MSSI on exactly what this means
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>> > will get back when I have a better understanding.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Alan
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
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