[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] CONSUMER SUB-GROUP UPDATE

[Volker Greimann]

Hi Erika,

a few comments:

Page 3, section 3, text in red, first bullet point:

I do not doubt that the subgroup agreed that the "definition must be 
broad", but this agreement is not supported by any reasoning. Why must 
it be broad? Why must it include internet users? Is there perhaps any 
community-approved definition of "consumer" that could be referenced 
here? Is it appropriate to make such a determination here when the 
Whois-Policy review team fount it particularly challenging to make such 
a determination? Should we not then leave this definition to the broader 
community and leave this question open at this stage, for the 
Competition, Consumer Trust and Consumer Choice (CCT) Review Team to 
deal with, once (if?) it completes it work?

Page 10 (5), (2):What exactly is meant by reseller "lack of 
transparancy" in the contect of whois? When we write "potential gap" 
what are the risks and effects that any policy or contractual changes 
are planned to cover? Do we not overly infringe on commercial liberties 
of contracted parties to solve non-issues or minor issues? For most 
registrars, their reseller lists are closely held commercial secrets, 
and rightly so. Heck, even many of our resellers do not want us as 
registrars to know who their resellers are. We certainly have no need 
for such information.

Page 10 (5), (3): Are these really gaps? Do we really want to prescribe 
how resellers and registrars must design their websites? I feel this 
goes a bit far.

Rec 1:  "ICANN should request from resellers"? Total disagreement. ICANN 
has no business contacting resellers, as it is the registrars who are 
their contractually accredited partners. Ultimately, this is already 
widely covered by the reseller-related obligations in the RAA and before 
we posit an alleged lack of transparency we shopuld first agree whether 
there is really a significant problem that needs resolving.

Best,

Volker


Am 28.05.2018 um 17:19 schrieb Erika Mann:
> Re-sending the document once again!
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Erika Mann <erika at erikamann.com 
> <mailto:erika at erikamann.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear All -
>
>     Sorry for the late submission.
>
>     The attached version incorporates the discussion of 2^nd F2F
>     meeting in Brussels and further investigation of the reseller
>     problematic.
>
>     Apologies to my sub-group members for not having been able to
>     consult with them.
>
>
>     Thanks goes to Lisa for helping with the update!
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Erika
>
>
>     Erika Mann
>
>     +32 498 121354
>
>
>
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