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I have shifted this thread from the Safeguard sub-group to the main
mailing list.<br><br>
Volker, I think that treating this a an example of how WHOIS was not made
a strategic priority is a MARVELLOUS idea. It shifts the discussion from
which data elements need to be protected, and how (where there are still
VERY different ideas in the community) to why did ICANN ignore the issue
that was well known for so long, and when it did start, why do it so
slowly.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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At 13/04/2018 12:59 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Alan,<br><br>
I see it in a similar way to the recommendations of the first RT. When
the first RT recommended that ICANN make Whois a strategic priority, we
can certainly do the same for safeguarding registration data in the
context of data privacy laws. Years down the road, a new RT can then
review how well ICANN did in that regard.<br><br>
I would also recommend that we reference this in our review of the
stratprio recommendation as ICANN seems to have mainly ignored that
aspect even though the recommendation read that it should make it a
stratprio in ALL of its aspects. The rush and panic we are experiencing
now is a direct result of this failure and we should not ignore this in
our report. In fact, it may be the biggest issue ICANN has with the
implementation of the first RT recs, depending on their interpretation,
of course.<br>
<br>
Volker<br><br>
Am 13.04.2018 um 18:49 schrieb Alan Greenberg:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I have no problem with noting
this, but I see no actionable recommendation. The Board has already
chartered a PDP and is taking interim (GDPR) corrective action.<br><br>
At 13/04/2018 12:38 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Not really, we should just
analyze for how long ICANN has known about this issue but chosen to
ignore it, and recommend that they now take the safeguarding of private
data to heart and learn from past mistakes. We will not (and should not)
give specific implementation advice or tell them how to do their job. But
we can tell them that they should do their job and in fact should have
done their jobs years ago. <br><br>
The how and what is ICANNs business and we should not intrude on that,
but the fact that action and a re-orientation is needed is something that
we very well can recommend. This will re-enforce the requirement but not
intrude on any ongoing work.<br><br>
I believe this is one of the single most important issues regarding whois
and by ignoring it we risk total irrelevance of our work. <br><br>
Volker<br><br>
Am 13.04.2018 um 17:31 schrieb Alan Greenberg:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">It is stating an opinion on how
ICANN should be preceding. We have already agreed that we will say that
the data has been completely open and that ICANN has provided NO
protection against any use or abuse.<br><br>
If GDPR and the PDP were not happening, we could certainly make a
recommendation that ICANN should charter a group to decide on what data
should be protected and how. But that seems rather moot at this point in
time.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 13/04/2018 10:28 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=1>How is Volkers
suggestion getting us actively involved in the GDPR frenzy? I think
it is a logical thing to do.<br>
</font><br>
<font size=1>Stephanie</font><br>
On 2018-04-13 10:17, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Volker, we made a decision long
ago to not get actively involved in the GDPR frenzy as that directly
overlaps with the current process (as faulted as some people may think it
is). Moreover, given the timing of our final report, it is not at all
obvious what purpose such work would serve.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 13/04/2018 07:12 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I think we should, under the
shadow of the oncoming GDPR, expand on the analysis section under 3 a),
stating that in this respect, ICANN and the community seem to have failed
completely at ensuring registrant details are safeguarded from
unauthorized or abusive access. We can then point to the extreme volumes
of spam each new registration generates for the registrant, the
harvesting of data in historic databases and various examples of doxxing
(if we find any) based on whois data. <br><br>
This would then also inform the question we could ask not only contracted
parties, but also affected members of civil society.<br><br>
Our summary of relevant research should also include every letter DPAs
have ever written to ICANN on this topic, including the letter from the
Dutch DPA Re: .Amsterdam.<br><br>
Volker<br><br>
Am 12.04.2018 um 21:48 schrieb Alan Greenberg:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Attached please find the updated
draft report and slide deck.<br><br>
At 10/04/2018 12:48 AM, Lisa Phifer wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear Subgroup 5 (Safeguarding
Registrant Data) -<br><br>
As discussed in our plenary call, attached are draft slides for Alan to
review/revise on behalf of your subgroup.<br><br>
The content of these slides is based on this draft subgroup report:<br>
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/71604740/Subgroup5-SafeguardData-Report-Draft1.docx" eudora="autourl">
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As a reminder, here is the timeline for slide completion:<br>
• <b>Monday 9 April COB</b> - ICANN org support team to send draft slides
to subgroup Rapporteurs <br>
• <b>Thursday 12 April COB</b> - Rapporteurs to send final updates to
slides to ICANN org support team <br>
• <b>Friday 13 April COB</b> - ICANN org support team to circulate final
slide-deck with the review team <br><br>
Regards<br>
Lisa<br>
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