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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Fortunately many have
the status of the judiciary and are not likely to be pushed.
Some are less independent than others. But the key ones here
are IMHO not so likely to cave in at this point. Of course,
that is an outsider viewpoint, others within the EU may know
better. And of course, that is a civil society view of the
matter, not one necessarily shared by others on this review
team.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-04-14 17:50, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<br>
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I didn't say they didn't talk and I didn't say it was an easy
job.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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At 14/04/2018 05:40 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><font size="1">Are
you
joking? they spend half their lives dealing with those guys.
And their own governments. It is not exactly a cushy job.
Requires some spine.<br>
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<font size="1">SP</font><br>
On 2018-04-14 15:32, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">In my mind, the
real question is
whether they are subject to any pressure from their own law
enforcement
and communications ministries. Alan<br>
<br>
At 13/04/2018 07:15 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hate to say I
told you so. But
its proof of my own estimation that the response was going
to be a
yawn.<br>
<br>
I cannot understand why given the history and an competent
understanding
of how any bureaucracy, much less a Eurocrat one, defined in
law and
bounded by practice, would suddenly change their collective
minds!<br>
<br>
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<dd>As this may be somewhat relevant to the work we are
doing, here is a
link to the response of the Art. 29 WG to ICANNs letter:<br>
<br>
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<dd>To be sure, there is nothing substantially new in
here, it
re-iterates positions that many have voiced towards
ICANN for years now,
but it does provide a clear overview of where ICANNs
proposed interim
model falls short, and what the constrants to tiered
access would be.
While some already interpret this as "whois is dead!", I
would
not go so far, but for certain uses - beneficial as they
may be - that
statement probably applies. In general, this seems to
provide a solid
basis for further work, but ICANN should not have wasted
its time waiting
for this response instead of continuing to refine their
interim model
with what everyone (but ICANN Org apparently) was
already expecting.<br>
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