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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you for your response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For 1), if it is very hard to measure, then we should point it out, for the common sense is that the reliable information is there, just being protected from
public access. LEAs are required court order issued by competent authority to have access to the information according to current PPSAI framework.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For 2), my concern is how many years will it take to digest the legacy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For 3), my case study is only one example among many. Based on the business model, the content hosted could be anything, phishing, malware distributing, etc.
Even the content is relating to porn or gambling, it is defined as illegal according to Chinese legislation. It’s Chinese authorities responsibility to take them down if there are victims of China.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Lili<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> RDS-WHOIS2-RT [mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 5 June, 2018 7:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rds-whois2-rt@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Comments about the Subgroup Report of Privacy/Proxy Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi Lili,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>thank you for your comments. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>1) The question of reliability levels of data behind a privacy shield is very hard to measure, as no mechanism exists to properly conduct a study without violating the terms of the service. Possibly, an indication of reliability levels could be obtained
from UDRP providers as they regularly deal with cases where the privacy service removes itself on the occurrence of a complaint, and therefore might have data on the reliability of the revealed data, however even then this sample would be skewed as most domains
using whois privacy services are unlikely to be targets in a UDRP.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>2) We assume that will be the case as touching all those existing customers is a near impossible task.
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<p>3) I reviewed your document, but I disagree with the assumptions therein. There was no indication or evidence of illegal use that I could determine. Porn and gambling, while distasteful are not necessarily illegal. So someone used a privacy service and registered
a bunch of domains to serve such content to China. So what? Also, the fact that the redirect changed after a short while may point to the domains being parked with the incoming traffic being sold to the highest bidder, who at the time may have been a provider
of such services.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I can see no abuse of a privacy service here.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 03.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb SUN Lili:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Privacy & Proxy subgroup members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I went through the draft report of this subgroup on wiki page (<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717</a>)
and step in with my concerns:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To the Data Accuracy subgroup, the Whois accuracy of domain names that utilize Privacy and Proxy Services is invisible. And Volker also
mentioned that this will be dealt with in the Privacy & Proxy subgroup. As such, I strongly support Susan’s comments on “6 Conducting periodic due diligence checks on customer contact information” and “8 Providing clear and unambiguous guidance on the rights
and responsibilities of registered name holders, and how those should be managed in the privacy/proxy environment.” There is no reason for a customer who chose P/P service thus been protected from responsibilities.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There is no indication about the legacy domain names that utilize P/P Services before the provider been accredited. Will it be a similar
situation as Grandfathered domains?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Like the example I gave during the 2<sup>nd</sup> F2F meeting, if there is not enough regulation and overseeing in place, P/P service
is very likely to be abused. To be clear, I elaborated the example in a word document (see attached). Do we really need this kind of fake prosperity of domain industry?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A response from this subgroup is much appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Lili</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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