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<p>Hi Lili,</p>
<p>thank you for your comments. <br>
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<p>1) The question of reliability levels of data behind a privacy
shield is very hard to measure, as no mechanism exists to properly
conduct a study without violating the terms of the service.
Possibly, an indication of reliability levels could be obtained
from UDRP providers as they regularly deal with cases where the
privacy service removes itself on the occurrence of a complaint,
and therefore might have data on the reliability of the revealed
data, however even then this sample would be skewed as most
domains using whois privacy services are unlikely to be targets in
a UDRP.</p>
<p>2) We assume that will be the case as touching all those existing
customers is a near impossible task. <br>
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<p>3) I reviewed your document, but I disagree with the assumptions
therein. There was no indication or evidence of illegal use that I
could determine. Porn and gambling, while distasteful are not
necessarily illegal. So someone used a privacy service and
registered a bunch of domains to serve such content to China. So
what? Also, the fact that the redirect changed after a short while
may point to the domains being parked with the incoming traffic
being sold to the highest bidder, who at the time may have been a
provider of such services.</p>
<p>I can see no abuse of a privacy service here.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb SUN
Lili:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Privacy & Proxy subgroup members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
went through the draft report of this subgroup on wiki page
(<a
href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717</a>)
and step in with my concerns:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To
the Data Accuracy subgroup, the Whois accuracy of domain
names that utilize Privacy and Proxy Services is invisible.
And Volker also mentioned that this will be dealt with in
the Privacy & Proxy subgroup. As such, I strongly
support Susan’s comments on “6 Conducting periodic due
diligence checks on customer contact information” and “8
Providing clear and unambiguous guidance on the rights and
responsibilities of registered name holders, and how those
should be managed in the privacy/proxy environment.” There
is no reason for a customer who chose P/P service thus been
protected from responsibilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
is no indication about the legacy domain names that utilize
P/P Services before the provider been accredited. Will it be
a similar situation as Grandfathered domains?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Like
the example I gave during the 2<sup>nd</sup> F2F meeting, if
there is not enough regulation and overseeing in place, P/P
service is very likely to be abused. To be clear, I
elaborated the example in a word document (see attached). Do
we really need this kind of fake prosperity of domain
industry?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
response from this subgroup is much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Lili<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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