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    <p>If we can agree on the original intent and replace the word

      accuracy with contactability, I could support this. <br>

    </p>

    <p>Volker<br>

    </p>

    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.06.2018 um 21:03 schrieb Erika

      Mann:<br>

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cite="mid:CADLdTjJJsLttRQPYisop0g0wY4GfMQzOJ4sYDEmCsYSopPoTqw@mail.gmail.com">

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        <div>Volker, hi - </div>

        <div><br>

        </div>

        <div>I tend to agree with Susan (and Lili). I believe it's

          important to make a recommendation with regard to accuracy of

          dada. That part of data is not going to be visible in the

          future (maybe even only for EU-data sets) makes it even more

          important to say that data must be accurate. There's no need

          to go further and to include obligations that are premature

          but ICANN must ensure that there's a clear understanding that

          accuracy is key. </div>

        <div><br>

        </div>

        <div>Kind regards, </div>

        <div>Erika</div>

        <div><br>

        </div>

        <div><br>

          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>

            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 1:20 PM,

              Susan Kawaguchi <span dir="ltr"><<a

                  href="mailto:susankpolicy@gmail.com" target="_blank"

                  moz-do-not-send="true">susankpolicy@gmail.com</a>></span>

              wrote:<br>

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                <div dir="ltr">Hi Volker 

                  <div><br>

                  </div>

                  <div>I disagree that our only option is to say thank

                    you.  This recommendation is 6 years old so it would

                    make sense that as an RT we would review the policy

                    created by the PDP and make a recommendation in view

                    of what has transpired in the last 6 years. </div>

                  <div><br>

                  </div>

                  <div>The Temp Spec addresses accuracy of data.  What

                    is being recommended is that a registrar treat the

                    underlying registrant data the same way it is

                    required to validate registrant data now.  A

                    registrar knows who their customer is and can ensure

                    that the data under the PP is accurate without

                    disclosing that to the world. </div>

                  <div><br>

                  </div>

                  <div>Your claim this would violate the underlying

                    registrant's privacy I do not follow that line of

                    thinking at all. </div>

                  <div><br>

                  </div>

                  <div>We should continue to discuss this

                    recommendation. </div>

                  <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">

                      <div><br>

                      </div>

                      <div>Susan </div>

                      <div><br>

                      </div>

                    </font></span></div>

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                  <div class="h5">

                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>

                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at

                        7:37 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a

                            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"

                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>

                        wrote:<br>

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                            <p>I do not support any attempt to introduce

                              an obligation for service providers to

                              violate the privacy of their customers

                              simply for purposes of "checks".</p>

                            <p>The PPSAI WG has made very specific

                              decisions regarding the obligations of

                              service providers regarding data quality.

                              It is not our place to question these

                              decisions which have been approved by the

                              GNSO and the board and are now on their

                              final stretch of implementation. <br>

                            </p>

                            <p>Our report should only say: "thank you

                              ICANN, job well done!"</p>

                            <p>Anything beyond that is a job for the

                              review of the policy after it has been

                              implemented for a while.<br>

                            </p>

                            <p>Volker<br>

                            </p>

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                              06.06.2018 um 20:21 schrieb Carlton

                              Samuels:<br>

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                                <div

                                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi

                                  Lili:<br>

                                  See my comments in line.</div>

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                                              <i><font face="comic sans

                                                  ms, sans-serif">Carlton

                                                  A Samuels</font></i><br>

                                              <font face="comic sans ms,

                                                sans-serif"><i>Mobile:

                                                  876-818-1799<br>

                                                  <font color="#33CC00">Strategy,

                                                    Process, Governance,

                                                    Assessment &

                                                    Turnaround</font></i></font><br>

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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun

                                    2, 2018 at 10:21 PM, SUN Lili <span

                                      dir="ltr"><<a

                                        href="mailto:L.SUN@interpol.int"

                                        target="_blank"

                                        moz-do-not-send="true">L.SUN@interpol.int</a>></span>

                                    wrote:<br>

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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear

                                              Privacy & Proxy

                                              subgroup members,</span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I

                                              went through the draft

                                              report of this subgroup on

                                              wiki page (<a

                                                href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=71604717"

                                                target="_blank"

                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/p<wbr>ages/viewpage.action?pageId=71<wbr>604717</a>)

                                              and step in with my

                                              concerns:</span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span

                                                  style="font:7.0pt

                                                  "Times New

                                                  Roman"">       </span></span></span><span

                                              dir="LTR"></span><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">To

                                              the Data Accuracy

                                              subgroup, the Whois

                                              accuracy of domain names

                                              that utilize Privacy and

                                              Proxy Services is

                                              invisible. And Volker also

                                              mentioned that this will

                                              be dealt with in the

                                              Privacy & Proxy

                                              subgroup. </span></p>

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                                        style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">Under

                                        current rules, the accredited

                                        P/P provider is obliged to

                                        ensure contactability of

                                        customer of his service. That

                                        this is the case cannot be

                                        verified independently and some

                                        of us have argued from inception

                                        this is a major hole in the

                                        agreement. We have alternately

                                        argued that there should be

                                        graded penalties for this

                                        violation after the fact.</div>

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                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As

                                              such, I strongly support

                                              Susan’s comments on “6

                                              Conducting periodic due

                                              diligence checks on

                                              customer contact

                                              information” and “8

                                              Providing clear and

                                              unambiguous guidance on

                                              the rights and

                                              responsibilities of

                                              registered name holders,

                                              and how those should be

                                              managed in the

                                              privacy/proxy

                                              environment.” There is no

                                              reason for a customer who

                                              chose P/P service thus

                                              been protected from

                                              responsibilities.</span></p>

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                                    <div>

                                      <div

                                        style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">See

                                        above. We expect that the risk

                                        triage will allow the cost of

                                        violation to pass to the

                                        customer.</div>

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                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span

                                                  style="font:7.0pt

                                                  "Times New

                                                  Roman"">       </span></span></span><span

                                              dir="LTR"></span><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">There

                                              is no indication about the

                                              legacy domain names that

                                              utilize P/P Services

                                              before the provider been

                                              accredited. Will it be a

                                              similar situation as

                                              Grandfathered domains?</span></p>

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                                    <div>

                                      <div

                                        style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">Some

                                        of us have argued that there

                                        should be a Privacy/Proxy Data

                                        Accuracy Reminder policy along

                                        the line of the WHOIS Data

                                        reminder. It was not accepted.

                                        But there is no reason the P/P

                                        provider cannot be obliged and

                                        bound to it in terms of the

                                        accreditation for renewals. </div>

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                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

                                          <p

class="m_3282941260710866892m_-6839439845171155380m_-5119598688317337846MsoListParagraph"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span

                                                  style="font:7.0pt

                                                  "Times New

                                                  Roman"">       </span></span></span><span

                                              dir="LTR"></span><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Like

                                              the example I gave during

                                              the 2<sup>nd</sup> F2F

                                              meeting, if there is not

                                              enough regulation and

                                              overseeing in place, P/P

                                              service is very likely to

                                              be abused. To be clear, I

                                              elaborated the example in

                                              a word document (see

                                              attached). Do we really

                                              need this kind of fake

                                              prosperity of domain

                                              industry?</span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A

                                              response from this

                                              subgroup is much

                                              appreciated.</span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>

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                                        style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">Best,</div>

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                                      <div

                                        style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;display:inline">-Carlton</div>

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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,</span></p>

                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span

style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Lili</span></p>

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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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