[RDS-WHOIS2-Safeguard] Draft Safeguard Data slides for Alan to expand

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Fri Apr 13 16:49:45 UTC 2018 

I have no problem with noting this, but I see no 
actionable recommendation. The Board has already 
chartered a PDP and is taking interim (GDPR) corrective action.

At 13/04/2018 12:38 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:

>Not really, we should just analyze for how long 
>ICANN has known about this issue but chosen to 
>ignore it, and recommend that they now take the 
>safeguarding of private data to heart and learn 
>from past mistakes. We will not (and should not) 
>give specific implementation advice or tell them 
>how to do their job. But we can tell them that 
>they should do their job and in fact should have done their jobs years ago.
>
>The how and what is ICANNs business and we 
>should not intrude on that, but the fact that 
>action and a re-orientation is needed is 
>something that we very well can recommend. This 
>will re-enforce the requirement but not intrude on any ongoing work.
>
>I believe this is one of the single most 
>important issues regarding whois and by ignoring 
>it we risk total irrelevance of our work.
>
>Volker
>
>Am 13.04.2018 um 17:31 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>It is stating an opinion on how ICANN should be 
>>preceding. We have already agreed that we will 
>>say that the data has been completely open and 
>>that ICANN has provided NO protection against any use or abuse.
>>
>>If GDPR and the PDP were not happening, we 
>>could certainly make a recommendation that 
>>ICANN should charter a group to decide on what 
>>data should be protected and how. But that 
>>seems rather moot at this point in time.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>At 13/04/2018 10:28 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>
>>>How is Volkers suggestion getting us actively 
>>>involved in the GDPR frenzy?  I think it is a logical thing to do.
>>>
>>>Stephanie
>>>On 2018-04-13 10:17, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>>>Volker, we made a decision long ago to not 
>>>>get actively involved in the GDPR frenzy as 
>>>>that directly overlaps with the current 
>>>>process (as faulted as some people may think 
>>>>it is). Moreover, given the timing of our 
>>>>final report, it is not at all obvious what purpose such work would serve.
>>>>
>>>>Alan
>>>>
>>>>At 13/04/2018 07:12 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think we should, under the shadow of the 
>>>>>oncoming GDPR, expand on the analysis 
>>>>>section under 3 a), stating that in this 
>>>>>respect, ICANN and the community seem to 
>>>>>have failed completely at ensuring 
>>>>>registrant details are safeguarded from 
>>>>>unauthorized or abusive access. We can then 
>>>>>point to the extreme volumes of spam each 
>>>>>new registration generates for the 
>>>>>registrant, the harvesting of data in 
>>>>>historic databases and various examples of 
>>>>>doxxing (if we find any) based on whois data.
>>>>>
>>>>>This would then also inform the question we 
>>>>>could ask not only contracted parties, but 
>>>>>also affected members of civil society.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our summary of relevant research should also 
>>>>>include every letter DPAs have ever written 
>>>>>to ICANN on this topic, including the letter from the Dutch DPA Re: .Amsterdam.
>>>>>
>>>>>Volker
>>>>>
>>>>>Am 12.04.2018 um 21:48 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>>>>>Attached please find the updated draft report and slide deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 10/04/2018 12:48 AM, Lisa Phifer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Subgroup 5 (Safeguarding Registrant Data) -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As discussed in our plenary call, attached 
>>>>>>>are draft slides for Alan to review/revise on behalf of your subgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The content of these slides is based on this draft subgroup report:
>>>>>>>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/71604740/Subgroup5-SafeguardData-Report-Draft1.docx 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As a reminder, here is the timeline for slide completion:
>>>>>>>• Monday 9 April COB - ICANN org support 
>>>>>>>team to send draft slides to subgroup Rapporteurs
>>>>>>>• Thursday 12 April COB - Rapporteurs to 
>>>>>>>send final updates to slides to ICANN org support team
>>>>>>>• Friday 13 April COB - ICANN org support 
>>>>>>>team to circulate final slide-deck with the review team
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>Lisa
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