[registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Next possible move related to GDPR

Evan Leibovitch evanleibovitch at gmail.com
Tue Sep 4 14:58:35 UTC 2018

Hi Holly,

I'm with Carlton on this.

I would remind all to recall the reason we are here: ICANN Bylaw Section

*The role of the ALAC shall be to consider and provide advice on the
activities of ICANN, insofar as they relate to the interests  individual
Internet users.*

We are here (primarily, arguably exclusively) to (a) determine positions
based on the needs of the billions of Internet users and (b) advance those
positions within ICANN as strongly as possible. Our role is not to consider
and balance all sides before-the-fact; that is for the greater
community-based negotiation and ultimately the Board. We are here as
advocates, not conciliators.

Like it or not, ICANN is an adversarial environment in which (Holly and
Tijani, you both know this as well as anyone) historically the needs of
end-users have taken a back seat to all other interests. If At-Large does
not clearly articulate the needs of end users, nobody will -- indeed that
is our singular role in ICANN --  and even when we do we're not always
listened to. Of course reasonable result and compromise are possible, but
let's not handicap our positions before we start. There's been little
"balance" or consideration shown to date by those who have already made
enforcement of existing ICANN abuse regulations a nightmare and would
eagerly roll back even the meagre attempts at protection that already

When the tolerant and reasonable encounter the intolerant and unreasonable,
even if the tolerant are far greater in numbers, the latter gets its way


On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 07:58, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:

> Folks
> First - Carlton, while I almost always agree with you, I”m afraid that,
> this time, I think Bastiaan has made a very good argument and I agree with
> his statement - which is even more impressive since English is not his
> first language.  Well done Bastiaan.
> And for Carlton - I still think we are on the same page - or close to.
> And to borrow from a presentation I recently attended:  the issue isn’t
> privacy versus security; it is really an issue of one aspect of security
> versus another - both are necessary.
> Holly
> On 4 Sep 2018, at 8:43 pm, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4 Sep 2018, at 12:22, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bastiaan:
> >> You seem adept at destroying context to feed your allergy.
> >
> >
> > I ’seem adept at destroying’?
> >
> > Ok, thank you… I am not an English native speaker so I had to look it up
> just to confirm what you might mean. You have a talent for (‘seem adept
> at’) phrasing your sentences quite archaically ;-)
> >
> > Anyway, perception is of course in the eye of the beholder, which I’ll
> have to respect and therefore cannot comment on. Suffice to say I
> completely disagree, I have no intention whatsoever to consciously destroy
> anything, I could have easily quoted someone else to make my point. One
> that still stands btw.
> >
> >
> >> My phrasing was in context of defining what I meant by majority. Your
> interpretation blithely ignored the contextual meaning..There  is a word
> for that I cannot recall at the minute.
> >>
> >> Kindly,
> >> -Carlton
> >
> >
> > Right. Not very ‘kind’ from where I sit, but I am not going to take
> offence here.
> >
> > -Bastiaan
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