[registration-issues-wg] New Zealand's .Nz namespace gets preliminary injuction against DomainTools - Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News & Website Stuff

Bill Silverstein icann-list at sorehands.com
Thu Sep 13 20:42:48 UTC 2018


You seem to confuse things. You mix bank accounts which are granted
privacy, however this information is provided from banks to bank's
partners.

However, domain names information is public information. The domain names
themselves are public. The whois information is public, and has been since
day one. When registering a domain name, you contractually agree to have
that information public.

Having a domain name is not a human right. Having a domain name is not a
life necessity.

Mafioso having bank accounts do not adversely effect the public.

Domain names can and used to deceive the public. Domain names are used to
commit fraud and as part of spam.


On Thu, September 13, 2018 12:29 pm, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> Hi all.
> The ability to search bank accounts would allow finding answers to the
> following questions:
> - is the bank account holder real or is somebody hiding behind a false
> identity or a third party (let’s call it “proxy” for short)?
> - is the bank account used for illegal transactions?
> And once understood that the “real" bank account holder is hiding behind
> proxies it allows answering the following question:
> - does he/she/it own other bank accounts hiding behind other proxies?
> - is there a network of proxies covering a centrally managed criminal
> activity?
> Public information about all bank accounts will allow self-appointed
> vigilantes to detect a lot of frauds and criminal networks!
> Have a nice weekend,
> Roberto
>
> PS: this is not a made-up case, this is the way the anti-mafia police in
> Italy proceeds to discover mafia networks. The difference is that nobody
> screams hell to have bank account information public.
>
>
>> On 13.09.2018, at 23:56, Derek Smythe <derek at aa419.org> wrote:
>>
>> The ability to search for a registrant and find answers to the
>> questions:
>> - Is this a proxy?
>> - Is the website hacked?
>>
>> ... and once understood to be a malicious registrant, answers the
>> question:
>> - which other malicious domains might the malicious registrant have
>> registered?
>>
>> Example: atsprojects.co.za in this case. From there into a mess of
>> similar long ongoing fraud, much published about.
>>
>> It allows us to join the dots and turn a fraud incident into consumer
>> protection.
>>
>> It also avoids situations where the abuse report goes to a domain
>> reseller facilitating. Example
>> https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/latvian-national-sentenced-prison-scareware-hacking-scheme-targeted-minneapolis-star-tribune
>>
>> This is well worth a read, it simply illustrates one of many "insider
>> threats" in DNS which is ignored. Never a word was said about Heihachi
>> despite me asking it be used for a case study. Opportunities lost.
>>
>> Derek Smythe
>> Artists Against 419
>> http://www.aa419.org
>>
>>
>> On 2018/09/13 20:30, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> Sorry but what on earth has that got to do with Domain Tools making a
>>> shadow copy of the registry's whois?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michele
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On 13/09/2018, 18:17, "registration-issues-wg on behalf of Derek
>>> Smythe" <registration-issues-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on
>>> behalf of derek at aa419.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>    There are always two sides to a story with the truth somewhere in
>>>    between.
>>>
>>>    The irony: In a recent fraud case domain grandlin.co.nz was
>>> registered
>>>    via a German registrar with fake registration data, belonging to a
>>>    real NZ business (in the motor trade). Then content was stolen from
>>> a
>>>    Greek manufacturer of boots to create a fake NZ business. In turn
>>>    another domain was registered to spoof the Army. The fake army
>>> domain
>>>    then sent out tender requests to businesses. Take a guess what -
>>> all
>>>    of them won the tender. Once the companies had prepaid for the
>>> orders
>>>    ... then nothing.
>>>
>>>    In at least one case reported to law enforcement (the typical
>>> panacea
>>>    for domain abuse) a woman not only lost her business leaving her
>>> deep
>>>    in debt, but with all her personal details supplied to criminals,
>>> also
>>>    forcing her to lay off staff.
>>>
>>>    Sad fact: there will never be justice or restitution for her or her
>>>    employees. At least seven other small business are known about that
>>>    came to collect their orders at a fake address of a business not
>>>    involved (also in the motor trade).
>>>
>>>    This is also not the only .co.nz domain we are aware of begin
>>> abused
>>>    similarly.
>>>
>>>    That is why, when I see these cases and knowing what is REALLY
>>>    happening, when privacy is touted in an unbalanced way, I get sick:
>>>    Club registrant/registrar/ICANN trumps law and order, also human
>>> rights.
>>>
>>>    Derek Smythe
>>>    Artists Against 419
>>>    http://www.aa419.org
>>>
>>>    On 2018/09/13 13:31, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>>> https://domainnamewire.com/2018/09/12/new-zealands-nz-namespace-gets-preliminary-injuction-against-domaintools/
>>>>
>>>>
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