[registration-issues-wg] New Zealand's .Nz namespace gets preliminary injuction against DomainTools - Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News & Website Stuff

Michele Neylon - Blacknight michele at blacknight.com
Thu Sep 13 20:45:10 UTC 2018


GTLD Whois was public
Most ccTLDs have minimised their public Whois for years in order to be compliant with the law




Mr Michele Neylon
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On 13 Sep 2018, at 21:43, Bill Silverstein <icann-list at sorehands.com<mailto:icann-list at sorehands.com>> wrote:

You seem to confuse things. You mix bank accounts which are granted
privacy, however this information is provided from banks to bank's
partners.

However, domain names information is public information. The domain names
themselves are public. The whois information is public, and has been since
day one. When registering a domain name, you contractually agree to have
that information public.

Having a domain name is not a human right. Having a domain name is not a
life necessity.

Mafioso having bank accounts do not adversely effect the public.

Domain names can and used to deceive the public. Domain names are used to
commit fraud and as part of spam.


On Thu, September 13, 2018 12:29 pm, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
Hi all.
The ability to search bank accounts would allow finding answers to the
following questions:
- is the bank account holder real or is somebody hiding behind a false
identity or a third party (letâ?Ts call it â?oproxyâ? for short)?
- is the bank account used for illegal transactions?
And once understood that the â?oreal" bank account holder is hiding behind
proxies it allows answering the following question:
- does he/she/it own other bank accounts hiding behind other proxies?
- is there a network of proxies covering a centrally managed criminal
activity?
Public information about all bank accounts will allow self-appointed
vigilantes to detect a lot of frauds and criminal networks!
Have a nice weekend,
Roberto

PS: this is not a made-up case, this is the way the anti-mafia police in
Italy proceeds to discover mafia networks. The difference is that nobody
screams hell to have bank account information public.


On 13.09.2018, at 23:56, Derek Smythe <derek at aa419.org<mailto:derek at aa419.org>> wrote:

The ability to search for a registrant and find answers to the
questions:
- Is this a proxy?
- Is the website hacked?

... and once understood to be a malicious registrant, answers the
question:
- which other malicious domains might the malicious registrant have
registered?

Example: atsprojects.co.za<http://atsprojects.co.za> in this case. From there into a mess of
similar long ongoing fraud, much published about.

It allows us to join the dots and turn a fraud incident into consumer
protection.

It also avoids situations where the abuse report goes to a domain
reseller facilitating. Example
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/latvian-national-sentenced-prison-scareware-hacking-scheme-targeted-minneapolis-star-tribune

This is well worth a read, it simply illustrates one of many "insider
threats" in DNS which is ignored. Never a word was said about Heihachi
despite me asking it be used for a case study. Opportunities lost.

Derek Smythe
Artists Against 419
http://www.aa419.org


On 2018/09/13 20:30, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Derek

Sorry but what on earth has that got to do with Domain Tools making a
shadow copy of the registry's whois?

Regards

Michele


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On 13/09/2018, 18:17, "registration-issues-wg on behalf of Derek
Smythe" <registration-issues-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:registration-issues-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on
behalf of derek at aa419.org<mailto:derek at aa419.org>> wrote:

  There are always two sides to a story with the truth somewhere in
  between.

  The irony: In a recent fraud case domain grandlin.co.nz<http://grandlin.co.nz> was
registered
  via a German registrar with fake registration data, belonging to a
  real NZ business (in the motor trade). Then content was stolen from
a
  Greek manufacturer of boots to create a fake NZ business. In turn
  another domain was registered to spoof the Army. The fake army
domain
  then sent out tender requests to businesses. Take a guess what -
all
  of them won the tender. Once the companies had prepaid for the
orders
  ... then nothing.

  In at least one case reported to law enforcement (the typical
panacea
  for domain abuse) a woman not only lost her business leaving her
deep
  in debt, but with all her personal details supplied to criminals,
also
  forcing her to lay off staff.

  Sad fact: there will never be justice or restitution for her or her
  employees. At least seven other small business are known about that
  came to collect their orders at a fake address of a business not
  involved (also in the motor trade).

  This is also not the only .co.nz<http://co.nz> domain we are aware of begin
abused
  similarly.

  That is why, when I see these cases and knowing what is REALLY
  happening, when privacy is touted in an unbalanced way, I get sick:
  Club registrant/registrar/ICANN trumps law and order, also human
rights.

  Derek Smythe
  Artists Against 419
  http://www.aa419.org

  On 2018/09/13 13:31, Carlton Samuels wrote:
https://domainnamewire.com/2018/09/12/new-zealands-nz-namespace-gets-preliminary-injuction-against-domaintools/


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