[registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] renewal of .org registry

Maureen Hilyard maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
Fri Apr 26 17:27:12 UTC 2019


George

Are these end-user issues that apply to the comment that the CPWG initially
proposed to add to the registry submissions about the pricing of domains?
We seem to have gotten a bit off track.

Maureen




On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:35 AM George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
> > Finally, this concern about protecting small non-profits from paying big
> bucks for domain names would seem a lot more genuine if it included support
> for price caps in the resale market (i.e., the secondary market or
> aftermarket).
>
> You're conflating 2 different issues, Greg. The registry operators
> charge *fees* for registry services (i.e. managing a central database,
> the zone file, the nameservers that spit back the nameservers for the
> various domain names in that registry). The market value of those
> services are below $1/yr/domain (e.g. 70 cents per domain per year for
> the .IN ccTLD, as per their recent tender won by Neustar).
>
> http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration
>
> The secondary market or aftermarket is a marketplace for the asset
> value of the domain names themselves, which is an entirely different
> market than that for registry services.
>
> To understand this distinction, consider a trademark registry, like
> the USPTO, which has a fee structure for the services they provide for
> the registration and maintenance of trademarks. Those fees are
> entirely unrelated to the value of the trademark itself. A trademark
> owned by Google for "GOOGLE" or by Nike for "JUST DO IT" has set fees,
> and Google or Nike are free to sell, assign, license, etc. those
> trademarks to others at whatever the market will bear. Companies like
> Hilco Streambank routinely auction off the IP of companies, including
> their trademarks, see:
>
> https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals
>
> and of course, owners of TMs do these kinds of transactions all the
> time. For example, Hooters sold their trademark for $60 million.
>
> https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html
>
> The same comparison exists for a land registry and houses. Or a
> copyright registry, and the copyrighted works. The story of the
> Beatles catalog makes interesting reading:
>
>
> https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership
>
> and that catalog only has value due to the copyrights (once those
> copyrights expire, the works fall into the public domain, and the
> works are free for everyone to use).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/
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