[registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] renewal of .org registry

cw at christopherwilkinson.eu cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
Fri Apr 26 20:12:11 UTC 2019


Eh bien, noyer le poisson.

CW

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 20:11, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> Let's table this discussion until we can have a more thorough exploration of the issues. Email is a terrible way in which to have such a discussion. Threads get lost, broken, etc. and everyone is looking at this from a very narrow perspective. We owe it to our constituency to take a broader view and to spend the time getting it right.
> Jonathan
> From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:27 PM
> To: George Kirikos
> Cc: CPWG
> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] renewal of .org registry
>  
> George
> 
> Are these end-user issues that apply to the comment that the CPWG initially proposed to add to the registry submissions about the pricing of domains? We seem to have gotten a bit off track. 
> 
> Maureen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:35 AM George Kirikos <icann at leap.com <mailto:icann at leap.com>> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org>> wrote:
> > Finally, this concern about protecting small non-profits from paying big bucks for domain names would seem a lot more genuine if it included support for price caps in the resale market (i.e., the secondary market or aftermarket).
> 
> You're conflating 2 different issues, Greg. The registry operators
> charge *fees* for registry services (i.e. managing a central database,
> the zone file, the nameservers that spit back the nameservers for the
> various domain names in that registry). The market value of those
> services are below $1/yr/domain (e.g. 70 cents per domain per year for
> the .IN ccTLD, as per their recent tender won by Neustar).
> 
> http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration <http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration>
> 
> The secondary market or aftermarket is a marketplace for the asset
> value of the domain names themselves, which is an entirely different
> market than that for registry services.
> 
> To understand this distinction, consider a trademark registry, like
> the USPTO, which has a fee structure for the services they provide for
> the registration and maintenance of trademarks. Those fees are
> entirely unrelated to the value of the trademark itself. A trademark
> owned by Google for "GOOGLE" or by Nike for "JUST DO IT" has set fees,
> and Google or Nike are free to sell, assign, license, etc. those
> trademarks to others at whatever the market will bear. Companies like
> Hilco Streambank routinely auction off the IP of companies, including
> their trademarks, see:
> 
> https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals <https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals>
> 
> and of course, owners of TMs do these kinds of transactions all the
> time. For example, Hooters sold their trademark for $60 million.
> 
> https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html <https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html>
> 
> The same comparison exists for a land registry and houses. Or a
> copyright registry, and the copyrighted works. The story of the
> Beatles catalog makes interesting reading:
> 
> https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership <https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership>
> 
> and that catalog only has value due to the copyrights (once those
> copyrights expire, the works fall into the public domain, and the
> works are free for everyone to use).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/ <http://www.leap.com/>
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