[registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] tomorrow's discussion re: multistakeholder model

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Fri May 31 20:16:09 UTC 2019


Dear all: I did not write the summary yet as I was waiting for the body 
of the text to stabilize. I know we don't have to be rigid about it, 
but, as I have always understood it, a summary is usually a brief 
synopsis that stands alone for people who have not read the full text or 
sometimes it is posted elsewhere on its own with a link to the full 
text. A summary is not the same as an introduction -- which presents a 
large idea which is then deconstructed.

I was not expecting others to write the summary or for other ideas to 
creep into the summary. If I am misunderstanding this, please let me know.

Marita

On 5/31/2019 4:04 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu wrote:
> Dear Maureen:   I don’t quite understand the urgency of these 
> deadlines, perhaps I have missed something.
>
> In any event, a final ‘official’ Executive Summary has not yet been 
> proposed. <I would like to see that, even if my contribution is 
> attenuated (or ignored.)
>
> As I said on the Wiki, I think that Siva’s encouragement for MS 
> governance, actually goes too far in the face of the shortcomings of 
> ICANN’s MS structures, as described in the report. I also believe that 
> it goes beyond anything that ICANN.org <http://ICANN.org> has been 
> saying in the Geneva UN IG discussions.  TBC.
>
> Regards
>
> CW
> ALS - ISOC Wallonia BE.
>
> PS:  Evin for the Staff, actually acknowledged receipt of my draft, 
> quite positively.
> But community consensus should take precedence …
> Thank you Evin!!
>
>
>
>> On 31 May 2019, at 21:20, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> You have time to put in a personal submission. I can appreciate what 
>> Marita is saying that the current statement has been formed by 
>> discussion within the CPWG over a number of calls and cannot easily 
>> be changed without consultation and possible changes that there is no 
>> time to make.
>>
>> Perhaps in the executive summary it may state that a late alternative 
>> view was proposed and an individual submission to the public comment 
>> has been suggested.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net 
>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Christopher,
>>
>>     Evin needs to have this by this weekend in order to process the
>>     thing on time. So, it will be over by Wednesday's call.
>>
>>     And "no other comments" cannot be assumed as support for your
>>     intervention. As the chief penholder, I feel the need to reflect
>>     the content properly in the summary, not start another
>>     discussion.  Unless other people chime in, that's my position.
>>
>>     Marita
>>
>>     On 5/31/2019 1:00 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>     <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>     Dear Marita:
>>>
>>>     Thankyou.  However, since there is not a final text of the
>>>     Executive Summary, I would wish to maintain my proposed draft.
>>>     There is another CPWG on Wednesday evening (19.00 UTC) when we
>>>     could review this and any other eventual proposals.
>>>
>>>     I consider that my draft does in fact support the body of the
>>>     opinion. I note that there have been no other comments meanwhile.
>>>
>>>     I can’t apologise for coming in ‘late’ to this; recent CPWG
>>>     schedules have been very challenging here for several reasons.
>>>     Furthermore, a lot of time has been spent on EPDP, whereas in
>>>     the longer term multi-stakeholder strategy is far more important.
>>>
>>>     I maintain my comment.
>>>
>>>     Best regards
>>>
>>>     Christopher.
>>>
>>>>     On 31 May 2019, at 16:19, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>>     <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Christopher. I totally think your points are great  -- but
>>>>     it has not been part of the discussion we have had so far in
>>>>     three conference calls so I don't feel, at this point, that I
>>>>     have permission to pursue this line of thinking. The summary
>>>>     needs to be a summary of what is already in the body of the
>>>>     document, not an intro to another document.
>>>>
>>>>     We might be able to use it in the next iteration of this
>>>>     exercise which will not end here.
>>>>
>>>>     Marita
>>>>
>>>>     On 5/29/2019 2:10 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>>     <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>>     PS:  In the penultimate line, replace’ organisation’ by’
>>>>>     community'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     CW
>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 29 May 2019, at 20:00, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>>>>     <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Good evening, Further to today's CPWG Call, I would like to
>>>>>>     submit the following text as a contribution fo the Executive
>>>>>>     Summary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      … still to be completed …
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     "Otherwise, the international perception of our unique
>>>>>>     experiment in multi-stakeholder governance will be
>>>>>>     undermined. Indeed the imbalances within the ICANN community
>>>>>>     – described and discussed in this paper – go well beyond
>>>>>>     dysfunctional consensus building, and nowadays have
>>>>>>     significant economic, political and social consequences which
>>>>>>     disproportionately privilege incumbent stakeholders at the
>>>>>>     expense of others, both present and in the future, within and
>>>>>>     beyond the ICANN structure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The current review of Evolving ICANN's Multi-stakeholder
>>>>>>     Model needs to look well beyond the internal relationships
>>>>>>     between the Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees,
>>>>>>     and address the question as to how the present arrangements
>>>>>>     are viewed more widely, elsewhere in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     In most other regulated sectors of activity, companies and
>>>>>>     public authorities expect the allocation and supervision of
>>>>>>     public resources to benefit from decisions taken by
>>>>>>     independent agencies which are normally careful to avoid
>>>>>>     conflicts of interest, insider trading or collusion among
>>>>>>     incumbents. Insofar as ICANN is nowadays managing the
>>>>>>     allocation, and supervising the use of, quite vast economic
>>>>>>     resources, our present structure and performance likely
>>>>>>     appears to many as quite unusual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thus, arguably, the declared advantages of the
>>>>>>     multi-stakeholder model no longer outweigh, in our case, the
>>>>>>     disadvantages arising from the particular structure that has
>>>>>>     evolved in ICANN during the past two decades, and which are
>>>>>>     discussed in some detail in this report. Accordingly the
>>>>>>     necessary rebalancing of participation and powers within the
>>>>>>     ICANN organisation is in fact an essential factor in global
>>>>>>     internet Governance (IG) at large. It would also enhance the
>>>>>>     efficiency and transparency of our decisions and policies."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Christopher Wilkinson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     PS: I shall endeavour to post this text to the Wiki as a
>>>>>>     Comment later today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 29 May 2019, at 02:40, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>>>>>     <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hello cpwg members. Please take a look at the google doc re:
>>>>>>>     comment on the MS model *BEFORE* the call. There is a
>>>>>>>     document, and there are comments on the document you might
>>>>>>>     want to address. If no one has issues with the document or
>>>>>>>     with my responses to comments made to the document, then we
>>>>>>>     won't have much to discuss. I don't have any slides to
>>>>>>>     present. The document itself will be our reference point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/13nLdYeIB2wbTERgBdiE55z0RnM69F-nSXbrF4RwUZaQ/edit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Marita
>>>>>>>
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