[rssac-caucus] Opening RSSAC-002 for revision

Paul Hoffman paul.hoffman at icann.org
Tue Oct 20 16:46:04 UTC 2015


On 10/20/15, 5:02 PM, "rssac-caucus-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Ray
Bellis" <rssac-caucus-bounces at icann.org on behalf of ray at isc.org> wrote:

>On 20/10/2015 16:50, Wessels, Duane wrote:
>
>> Proposed Remedy:
>> 
>>  Amend the paragraph above to read:
>> 
>>    DNS query sizes are determined by the length of the entire DNS
>>    message. Thus, in practical terms, the transport headers
>>    (Ethernet, IP, and TCP or UDP etc) are removed leaving the DNS
>>    payload to measure. The DNS query message sizes should be
>>    recorded for both TCP and UDP.  For TCP the DNS payload also
>>    includes a two-octet size prefix.  Implementations should include
>>    these two octets in the calculation of message size.
>
>My preference is that those two framing octets should be *excluded* from
>the calculation, and treated as if they were part of the transport
>overhead.
>
>Whilst the current development version of BIND does include them, I
>believe that to be an oversight that should be corrected, and there's
>already a ticket in our bug tracking system requesting that.
>
>My rationale is that with the 16-byte wide histograms it's impossible to
>do an exact 1:1 comparison of UDP packets against TCP packets.  You
>can't tell from the binning whether the packets in a particular TCP bin
>might have gone into a different bin with UDP.
>
>Even before this issue came up a couple of months ago it had caused me
>slight puzzlement when I discovered this quirk in BIND's stats channel
>when two packets that I expected to be in the same bin didn't get
>counted that way.

I am fine with explicitly saying either saying the payload size does or
does not include the two-octet size prefix. Ray's logic here for exclusion
seems fine.

--Paul Hoffman
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