[RSS GWG] RSS GWG activity

Tue Jul 20 23:33:45 UTC 2021

Geoff,

While I fully expect each GWG member to update their constituents and respect this, it is disappointing to hear the tone and see the disrespect given to the RSOs in your report to the IAB.  The RSOs have served the Internet in good faith all these decades, and are the same RSOs that initiated this entire process to develop a Root Server Governance Model, and still the same RSOs whose work required something outside of the normal ICANN process, in the spirit of transparency and collaboration, to get input from the stakeholders identified in RSSAC037. These same RSOs recognized that improved governance and increased accountability was required of them and have willingly opened  themselves to that endeavor.

With the above in mind I believe a more appropriate response could have been something along the lines of…  While the GWG process has slowed and potentially paused, we need to remind ourselves that this entire process is new to all the stakeholders and we continue to learn throughout.  It is important to keep in mind that the type and breadth of changes being proposed in a new Root Server System Governance Model introduce fundamental changes that require a high level of due diligence from the stakeholders.  These are dramatic changes from the status quo.  Without that level of due diligence we risk the security, stability and resilience of the RSS.  In the most recent response from the RSOs we have learned that they have never used a representative model and as a result of combining that new datapoint with the proposed model the GWG has been working on we might need to adjust our course to ensure we get to a consensus driven solution that best serves the global Internet.  The RSOs take their responsibility seriously and hence this level of care is being embraced.

I look forward to working together to find that solution.

Cheers,
Brad

On 7/19/21, 6:11 PM, "RSSGWG on behalf of Geoff Huston via RSSGWG" <rssgwg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of rssgwg at icann.org> wrote:

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    My apologies for cc’ing this GWG list as I had intended only to update the IAB folk as the the current state of the GWG!

    regards,

      Geoff

    > On 20 Jul 2021, at 6:49 am, Geoff Huston <gih at apnic.net> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi IAB folk, and Ted,
    > 
    > Wes is no doubt already aware of this communication, but I thought I should inform Jari and Tommy of the recent note from Brad Verd (speaking, one presumes, for himself alone!).
    > 
    > From my perspective (and Ted may have a different view) progress within the GWG has largely stopped, and if there is any motion it is moving the GWG backwards. The issues here relate to the interpretation of “consensus” in the RSO context, what form of “representation” (if any) is acceptable here, and the tensions between simply preserving the status quo and what would be appropriate to consider for the future. It is possible that clarity will emerge in future meetings of the GWG. Of course it is equally a possibility that it won't!
    > 
    > regards,
    > 
    >    Geoff
    > 
    > 
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    >> Begin forwarded message:
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    >> From: "Verd, Brad via RSSGWG" <rssgwg at icann.org>
    >> Subject: Re: [RSS GWG] Text sent
    >> Date: 16 July 2021 at 4:12:23 am AEST
    >> To: "ted.ietf at gmail.com" <ted.ietf at gmail.com>, "rssgwg at icann.org" <rssgwg at icann.org>
    >> Reply-To: "Verd, Brad" <bverd at verisign.com>
    >> 
    >> GWG Colleagues,
    >>  
    >> Here is the response from the RSO’s to your question.
    >>  
    >> You have asked: "We would like to understand what representative models, if any, are acceptable to the RSOs."
    >> 
    >> There is at present no consensus among the RSOs concerning what, if any, representative models might be acceptable in a future RSS Governance Structure. While the RSOs will give special attention to this question in their ongoing discussion of the RSS Governance Structure Success Criteria document, we anticipate that a more complete answer will emerge only later in that process as we have the opportunity to identify and discuss issues arising.
    >>  
    >> This is new and untested territory for the RSOs, who have never been represented in a governance structure by anyone other than ourselves and who wish to take extraordinary care to support the health of the Internet by limiting the risk of institutional "capture" presented by any such structure. (These principles are further expressed in RSSAC042 and RSSAC037.) 
    >>  
    >> With no current consensus among the RSOs on a representative model, it remains important that all of the RSOs are engaged individually with the GWG process.
    >> 
    >> Cheers,
    >> Brad
    >> 
    >>  
    >>  
    >> From: RSSGWG <rssgwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ted Hardie via RSSGWG <rssgwg at icann.org>
    >> Reply-To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf at gmail.com>
    >> Date: Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 8:20 AM
    >> To: "rssgwg at icann.org" <rssgwg at icann.org>
    >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [RSS GWG] Text sent
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    >> Below is the text of the question I sent in follow-up to our discussion at the last meeting:
    >>  
    >> Dear Colleagues,
    >>  
    >> Thanks again for a productive meeting two weeks ago.  At our most recent meeting, the GWG reviewed the outcomes of that meeting (the approved minutes are here:https://secure-web.cisco.com/1AYwoQ58dkl67gxSISiiyLe0pQhNj3sMc83tDXR7ims3AWstponmKCbfNWGf9O-wxy6atulpqnvtsdM4e5LVo7sLYvyZpk8afK8Yqz6jxNxgQW3Wnw6wFCKfCzazxcU9dS5MYC3WptJsrJvWwvC_7609z9KNEPenVrsZpCiI4PRUx96b8FaNA7jCgYPSPXdSqEfYDwKGgPuAdy3X7AzFLjOM7JTooKeg0BKetovzO2G2Z2q47gZ4LUzpBlPQ87p9H/https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fdisplay%2Fsoacabout%2FTeleconferences%2Band%2BWork%2BSessions%3Fpreview%3D%2F120820205%2F167544141%2FRSS%2520GWG%2520Teleconference%2520%252332%2520Minutes.pdf). 
    >>  
    >> One issue we discussed focuses on the question of how and whether representatives from the root server community can act on behalf of other root server community members.  While that discussion derived from the interventions by Robert and Jeff on the use of the representative model in the GWG, the question is much larger, as it reads on what forms of governance would be acceptable to the RSOs. 
    >>  
    >> We would like to understand what representative models, if any, are acceptable to the RSOs.
    >>  
    >> We understand that you are putting together a document on the RSO community's sense of the success criteria here.  The RSS-GWG would like to ask you to prioritize the answer to this particular question and, if possible, provide an answer in advance of the full document.  
    >>  
    >> best regards,
    >>  
    >> Ted Hardie
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