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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#000000" vlink="#000000"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi James,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A belated thanks for these ideas. You are right that we missing these definitions from our current outline – and we certainly need to know who creates the Whois data and who manages it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After some thought, I suggest we add your “Producers” outline below in two places. First, as an opening section in “Developing the Definitions.” It also seems a good issue to ask Staff to address on Day 2 – as part of their discussion of policy and implementation (e.g., how has ICANN defined/viewed producers of the Whois data in their policy and implementation work?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Attached is a revised agenda to include the sections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Happy Holidays and a wonderful New Year, All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Liz Gasster<br><b>Cc:</b> rt4-whois@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Liz. These are excellent jumping-off points for our definitional work. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In addition, I would like to add another category of stakeholder, that of WHOIS "Producers." This could be folded in to Section 3 as a new category, or added to our fact-finding efforts:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1. Producers:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> (a) Who are the Producers / Creators of WHOIS data?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> (b) Who are the Maintainers / Managers of WHOIS data?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> (c) What are their obligations / rights / responsibilities?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> (d) What are the different methods used to make data available (thick/centralized versus thin/distributed, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also, Kathy and I were discussing the idea that we should prepare some Goals or Objectives in advance of our London (and subsequent) meetings, and then issue a brief report or statement at the conclusion of the meeting on our progress towards achieving them. There are folks in the community watching our efforts very closely, and small efforts like these will go a long way towards building & preserving credibility for our final recommendations. Just a thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=replyBlockquote><div id=wmQuoteWrapper><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London<br>From: Liz Gasster <<a href="mailto:liz.gasster@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>liz.gasster@icann.org</span></a>><br>Date: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:21 pm<br>To: Emily Taylor <<a href="mailto:emily.taylor@etlaw.co.uk"><span style='color:windowtext'>emily.taylor@etlaw.co.uk</span></a>>, <br>"<a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>rt4-whois@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext'>rt4-whois@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'>Hello Emily and all,</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'>I’d like to comment on the topic of definitions, as I have wrestled with them a bit myself in working on WHOIS over the years. I think the idea of agreeing on a commonly understood lexicon is very useful, especially when discussing WHOIS, because what we typically may think of as generic terms can mean very different things to different people. That said, I have not found many “agreed” definitions to be readily found or documented in areas that would be useful to this team. </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'>I do have a thought about jump-starting the process -- Recently I had a similar need and found it useful to come up with “working definitions” that could be tweaked, massaged, or totally re-written by a larger group. With that in mind, I’d like to toss out the attached draft for the group’s consideration, merely to start the process. I used definitions that have been used in previous ICANN work where I found helpful references, and searched elsewhere for other terms. My sources are admittedly “US-centric” as reflects my background, so other perspectives and useful sources would be very good to include. They are not intended as “approved” ICANN definitions.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'>Please feel free to disregard this and start elsewhere, but I hope you find it useful.</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17375E'>Best regards, Liz </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"><u><span style='color:blue'>rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</span></u></a> [<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"><u><span style='color:blue'>mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</span></u></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emily Taylor<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"><u><span style='color:blue'>rt4-whois@icann.org</span></u></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Alice, for circulating the draft agenda for London.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I just want to emphasise that this is very much a draft, and I encourage you all to make comments or suggestions on the list and we can then foster a discussion about any points that arise, whether about substantive agenda items or logistics.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Emily<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=310 height=47 id="_x0000_i1025" 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