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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Alice for circulating this document, which I think will form an excellent basis for the team’s consultation with the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My comments are below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As you’ll see, they are primarily attempts to keep the definitions broad, inclusive and as plain-English as possible, recognising the broad range of stakeholders we will be targeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are also some comments which I offer for discussion, as some of the proposed wording seems to me to imply a decision or inclination on the part of the review team on issues that have yet to be discussed in detail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would also like to discuss the survey, as I am unsure what this is intended to achieve.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am happy to discuss any of these comments, and look forward to today’s teleconference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Law enforcement<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As noted in my earlier email, I have some reservations about the law enforcement definition that has been proposed. I think I understand what is intended and why some of the caveats have been included, but from my perspective I think a simpler formulation would achieve the same result with less ambiguity and sensitivity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As such I propose the following, based on earlier definitions circulated by the sub-group:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><em><span style='font-style:normal'>“Law Enforcement shall be considered to be an organisation endorsed by a government and whose responsibilities include the maintenance, co-ordination, or enforcement of laws, multi-national treaty or other legal obligations.”</span></em><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My reasoning is below:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The exclusive list of ‘department, division...’ etc appears to be unnecessary, and risks excluding a legitimate law enforcement organisation. Reference to an organisation appears to achieve the same goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I do not understand what is meant by ‘part and parcel’. In my view, reference to an organisation ‘endorsed’ by a government (noting that it must have specific and legitimate legal responsibilities) is sufficient and clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I suggest that the reference to ‘responsibilities’ should be inclusive, as a legitimate law enforcement organisation may have other responsibilities (e.g. advising government t on the effectiveness of laws etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I understand the reference to ‘regulations’, but think that it should be broader (in Australia, regulation has a particular meaning and is only one type of ‘legislative instrument’, all of which have the force of law). I propose that we use ‘other legal obligations’ instead, as a broader formulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I do not think the references to boundaries are necessary, and raise sensitive geo-political issues beyond the remit of the review team.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Applicable laws<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>With regard to applicable laws, I think the definition does a good job of covering the field of possible laws that regulate personal data. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>However, I note that the relevant sentence in the AoC refers to an obligation on ICANN to enforce its WHOIS policies (without caveats). Without specific advice from ICANN on what it considers the relevant laws to be, I propose a simple change to the proposed definition to make it inclusive rather than exclusive. In this way, if ICANN decides that the contract/commercial law of a country is relevant to its ability to enforce a contract obligation, then we haven’t inadvertently excluded this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I also have concerns about the phrase ‘internationally recognised legal norms’, as agreement about what an internationally recognised legal norm is would appear to be beyond the scope of the review team. I have tried to simplify the definition accordingly:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>“Includes any and all local and national laws that regulate and/or control the collection, use, access, and disclosure of personally identifiable information. It may also include other relevant legal obligations or treaties.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Consumer trust<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think the definition is good, noting that I agree with Bill’s recently proposed edit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>However, I have some reservations about the preamble. If this is to be retained, I would suggest that it be generalised to avoid the impression that the review is focused on one particular jurisdiction, region or other type of grouping.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As such, I propose the following to replace the existing two paragraphs of preamble:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“There is no single universally agreed definition of ‘consumer’, and legal definitions in different jurisdictions vary widely. Some are narrow and limited to ‘natural persons’, while others are broader and include various types of organisations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The WHOIS review team has been considering a broad interpretation of the term ‘consumer’, as this would allow a broad range of perspectives to be considered by the review team. This appears to be consistent with the intention of the drafters of the AoC.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>With regard to ‘B. What promotes consumer trust?’, I would like to discuss further the phrase ‘WHOIS data is provided accurately and with consent’. I initially read this as a simple recognition of the need to consider privacy issues. However, I now wonder whether this can be read as an unambiguous statement of a specific requirement (i.e. the need for consent). If so, I do not think we have reached a settled position on this issue yet. I’m not advocating a view either way on this, and I think the discussion forward will need to be detailed and nuanced, but I am concerned that the existing text could be seen to close off these discussions. I have a similar comment on question 5 in the survey, which refers to ‘legitimate options available to hide the WHOIS data’. Again, I do not think the existing situation is so clear cut, and I personally have not got a settled position on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>With regard to the survey as a whole, I have some comments on the wording of specific questions (particularly relating to clarity), but I wanted to raise a broader issue. In particular, I note that the current proposed survey is essentially closed and qualitative, and I wonder what exactly we are aiming to achieve from it? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alice Jansen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 1 March 2011 8:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> rt4-whois@icann.org WHOIS<br><b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] WHOIS Public Comments - for your review<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Review Team Members,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find attached a public comment draft announcement for your review and consideration in anticipation of your conference call scheduled for tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kindly note that this was drafted and approved by Kathy and Emily.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Many thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Very best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alice<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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