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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Applicable Laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry for the late input but hopefully we can all discuss on Wednesday’s call. I am concerned that by adding “</span>or any other relevant laws which are
binding on one or more of the parties" <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
this will confuse the issues with the definition. Several comments pointed out that although individuals may be protected by many different laws around the world that at least in the EU and US businesses are explicitly not protected in the same manner and
that they have specific obligations to provide information if they are engaging in commercial activity on the internet.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The IPC made a very good point in their comments not all laws that involve the protection of data are actually applicable to ICANN and the WHOIS policy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The following is an excerpt from their comments:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">“In order to assess whether ICANN is fulfilling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">this commitment, the Review Team must focus on which laws are applicable to ICANN in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">carrying out this policy. This can be a difficult question to answer. While some national laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">may apply to ICANN’s ability to enforce the requirements of providing open Whois access, it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">seems inconceivable that “any and all local and national laws that regulate and/or control the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">collection, use, access and disclosure of personally identifiable information” are all applicable to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman">ICANN in its enforcement of this policy.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Producers and Maintainers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">These definitions have been problematic and confusing to me from day one. I understand James’ point in defining the terms in this way (and I agreed to it as
part of the team) but it is obvious from the comments that we have caused some confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Two possible solutions:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Provide additional information with the definition that James originally provided
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Existing Organizations: Where do they fit?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The subteam is unanimous on the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Registrants = Producers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ICANN = Maintainer (Data Controller)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">gTLD REGISTRY = Maintainer (Data Controller and Data Processor)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">gTLD REGISTRAR = Maintainer (Data Processor)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">WHOIS DATA ESCROW PROVIDER = Maintainer (Data Processor)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The subteam disagrees on the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">WHOIS DATA AGGREGATOR = Data Processor (Susan), No Category (James)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">PRIVACY/PROXY SERVICE = Data Processor (Susan), Producer or No Category (James)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We may have to add to this list as there may be other services that fit into these categories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Revert to the usual terms such as Registrant, Registrar, Registry etc. that are well known and understood.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Looking forward to the discussion on Wednesday.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Susan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Emily Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 15, 2011 2:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mikhail Yakushev<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rt4-whois@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Help required - NOW EVEN EASIER!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi all<br>
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Thanks for your feedback. I agree with Michael and Bill, except that I think we need to tweak the definition further. As I recall, there were some comments (the GAC? others?) to the effect that, while data protection/privacy laws are the obvious example
of relevant applicable laws, our definition should not <i>exclude</i> other relevant applicable laws - and therefore we should add some words like "or any other relevant laws which are binding on one or more of the parties". The commentators may have suggested
better wording, but I think we do need to consider this sort of sweep up.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Emily<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 August 2011 10:18, Mikhail Yakushev <<a href="mailto:m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru">m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Sharon,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you very much for your valuable work.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I mostly share Bill’s views (see his separate e-mail) on most comments and I think there is no proven necessity to make any substantial
changes in any of the definitions.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">As for the “Applicable Laws” definition:</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(a)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The feedback was mostly positive,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(b)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I am ready to prepare a short response for each comment – based on Bill’s methodology
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(c)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think it is possible to agree with Lexinta proposal and to remove the reference to the UN Guidelines on Personal Data – indeed, it’s legal force is much weaker, that the Human Rights Declaration. However,
Lexinta’s reference to the ‘applicable’ laws (making an unfortunate cross-reference definition) should also be omitted.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Michael</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>LEMON, Sharon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 05, 2011 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] Help required - NOW EVEN EASIER!!</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="RU" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:red">NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue"> Hello Everyone,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">Last week I sent out my part of the report - definitions for comment and assistance. Response was
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">limited ;-), but I still need your help.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">So - to make it even easier I have subdivided the work into three and you only need to look at the one which relates to the subgroup you were
in. I would like you to look at the definition, the feedback received and let me know if you think we should change it in light of that feedback. The first document is the key for those who fedback, the second the defination and comments and the third the
longer version, should you be interested. I have now incorporated the LE feedback from both Peter and I and summarised the comments, rather than just listed them.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">This will only take minutes PROMISE - and I would really like to feedback at our next conference call and I am off next week - so you have until
Monday 15th!.</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">So - Producers and Maintainers - James, Susan and Wilfried</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue"> Applicable Laws -Kim, Omar, Michael, Lynn</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue"> Law Enforcement - Kim, Lutz, Peter. </span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">Here's hoping,</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="RU" style="color:blue">Sharon</span><span lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:gray">Sharon LEMON OBE</span><span lang="RU"> <br>
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:gray">Deputy Director</span><span lang="RU">
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