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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Emily,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I do agree that all other relevant laws should not be excluded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However, even in the current definitions such legal norms are NOT excluded (if they are applicable to the regulation/control of the personal data).
As far as I remember, there was presented no proof, that any act of the domestic legislation has a direct reference to the WHOIS formats/technology/etc. In most cases such legislation (be it, e.g., criminal investigation procedures and/or consumer protection)
are interrelated with the local personal data laws and thus can be treated as such (= no further clarification is needed for our definition).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For example, in Russia there are (implicit) obligations of any internet provider to share information on their customers in case of criminal investigation.
The Federal Law on Personal Data (more or less based on E.U.Convention) is much more specific on what personal data are and how they should be protected; it also contains specific exclusions from the protection regime for the cases like criminal investigation
– and thus can be treated as a “primary applicable” law for the WHOIS-related matters. Making Criminal Process Code a “secondary applicable” law. This makes the overall definition as simple and as understandable as possible. Anyhow, any additions – as you
propose them for better understanding – are also possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Emily Taylor [mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 15, 2011 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mikhail Yakushev<br>
<b>Cc:</b> LEMON, Sharon; rt4-whois@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Help required - NOW EVEN EASIER!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi all<br>
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Thanks for your feedback. I agree with Michael and Bill, except that I think we need to tweak the definition further. As I recall, there were some comments (the GAC? others?) to the effect that, while data protection/privacy laws are the obvious example
of relevant applicable laws, our definition should not <i>exclude</i> other relevant applicable laws - and therefore we should add some words like "or any other relevant laws which are binding on one or more of the parties". The commentators may have suggested
better wording, but I think we do need to consider this sort of sweep up.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Emily<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15 August 2011 10:18, Mikhail Yakushev <<a href="mailto:m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru">m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Sharon,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you very much for your valuable work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I mostly share Bill’s views (see his separate e-mail) on most comments and I think there is no proven necessity to make
any substantial changes in any of the definitions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">As for the “Applicable Laws” definition:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(a)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The feedback was mostly positive,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(b)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I am ready to prepare a short response for each comment – based on Bill’s methodology
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">(c)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think it is possible to agree with Lexinta proposal and to remove the reference to the UN Guidelines on Personal Data – indeed, it’s legal force is much weaker, that the Human Rights Declaration.
However, Lexinta’s reference to the ‘applicable’ laws (making an unfortunate cross-reference definition) should also be omitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Michael</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>LEMON, Sharon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 05, 2011 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] Help required - NOW EVEN EASIER!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:red">NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:blue">Last week I sent out my part of the report - definitions for comment and assistance. Response was
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:blue">limited ;-), but I still need your help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:blue">So - to make it even easier I have subdivided the work into three and you only need to look at the one which relates to the subgroup you were in. I would
like you to look at the definition, the feedback received and let me know if you think we should change it in light of that feedback. The first document is the key for those who fedback, the second the defination and comments and the third the longer version,
should you be interested. I have now incorporated the LE feedback from both Peter and I and summarised the comments, rather than just listed them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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15th!.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:blue"> Applicable Laws -Kim, Omar, Michael, Lynn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:gray">Sharon LEMON OBE</span> <br>
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