<html><body><span style="font-family:Arial; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Peter and Team:<br><br>Here is a second attempt with the Proxy document converted to an older version of Word. I am currently using Word 2011 for MacOS, so I'm not sure what the issue is. </div><div><br></div><div>Please let me know if this works.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks--<br></div><div><br></div><div>J.</div><div><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan<br>
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From: "Nettlefold, Peter" <<a href="http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au">Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au</a>><br>
Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 9:28 pm<br>
To: "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "Emily Taylor"<br>
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</style><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I seem to be having a technical problem opening documents from James. Am I alone in this? It happened with this one, and also with the one that had the edits to the recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">James, or Alice – is it possible to re/send those two documents in a different format?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Peter<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> James M. Bladel [<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 25 November 2011 1:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Emily Taylor<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>; Nettlefold, Peter<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Team:<br><br>While Susan and I worked (and will continue to work) on some of the language, here are my comments on the other sections.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks--<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">J.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:4.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="replyBlockquote"><div id="wmQuoteWrapper"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan<br>draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br>From: Emily Taylor <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>><br>Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 3:30 am<br>To: "Nettlefold, Peter" <<a target="_blank" href="http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au">Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au</a>><br>Cc: "<a target="_blank" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>" <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>><br><br>Hi Peter<br><br>As it's Thanksgiving, our US colleagues will (should) be offline for a couple of days.<br><br>My understanding from last night's call is that our proposal is to combine these proxy recommendations with the ones from Dakar. In other words, instead of saying "we never acknowledge proxies" we say this. Susan explained that they are currently working on defining what is meant by a proxy, and as you rightly point out there are different flavours of proxy. There is the "deep" arrangement based on an ongoing trusting relationship (eg solicitor, client) where a proxy might not be obvious. My understanding is that we're not attempting to lift the veil on these. They are not viewed as problematic.<br><br>What is viewed as within the ambit of these new draft recommendations are the higher volume, commercialised proxy services, where there is not really a pre-existing relationship between registrant and proxy provider, but this is a low cost add on at the point of registration. The two parties don't really know each other that well. These are the ones we're hoping to describe in our definitions, and they are the target of these recommendations.<br><br>I hope that this makes it clear, but obviously I do recommend you listen to Susan's description of their thinking from the audio when it's up.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Emily<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">On 24 November 2011 02:32, Nettlefold, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au" target="_blank">Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Susan and all,</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks very much to all who worked on this new series of recommendations.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m sorry I missed the teleconference this morning, but just wanted to see if I understand this proposal correctly.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In short, is this a supplement to the position we agreed in Dakar? i.e. will the situation generally be that the registered name holder assumes all rights and responsibilities (as we discussed in Dakar), but in a special subset of cases (i.e. where the registrar clearly knows that a ‘proxy’ is being used) then some special rules apply? </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Or to put it another way, will we be recommending that there should be special new rules for ‘known’ proxies (however defined), and in all other cases we do not acknowledge proxies?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m sorry if this was discussed this morning, but I’m just trying to understand the position.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As there isn’t a recording up yet that I’ve seen, any advice on whether other team members have already commented on this would be appreciated.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Peter</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kawaguchi<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 24 November 2011 6:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org" target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Hello All, </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">I apologize for the delay in sending this and that it is still in rough draft. The attached document contains Kathy’s revisions and comments to my original proposed recommendation. I have added proposed definitions for the terms we are struggling with. These came out of discussions between James and I. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">I feel that we must provide a clear recommendation on the proxy issue but I personally seem to keep moving towards drafting policy. I am hoping we will have time to discuss on the call today as I have several questions for the team. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Susan </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><br><b>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</b><br>NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) <br>and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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