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<div>Good catch! Until I read it aloud I did not read it correctly</div>
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<div>Do you prefer either of the other two? My point is that we decide on a standard definition<br>
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:56 PM, "Seth M Reiss" <<a href="mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com">seth.reiss@lex-ip.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I feel there is a very large problem with adopting the NORC report’s definition of proxy, although I find the NORC report’s definition of privacy service eloquent and accurate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem with the NORC report’s definition of proxy is that it designates the licensee as the “registrant” and in doing so, shifts all legal responsibilities and risks from the retail proxy service onto the
hidden licensee. This definition is unfortunate, and can only lead to confusion and contradiction as we attempt to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Seth <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kawaguchi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 28, 2011 2:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Rt4-whois] Definitions of Privacy and Proxy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="Default"><b><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Hello All, <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">We seem to use varying definitions of privacy and proxy. I found these two
</span> definitions of both terms in our draft report<span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Chapter 4 page 43 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">u<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b><i>Privacy Services </i></b>provide the Registrant's Name, but the Privacy Service's contact information. The Privacy Service passes on non-spam messages to the Registrant, particularly legal notices, acting as a type of “registered
agent.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">u<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><b><i>Proxy Services</i></b> register the domain name and license it to another for use.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chapter 8 Page 80<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Privacy
</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">services limit certain user details from WHOIS by offering alternate contact information and mail forwarding services, while not actually shielding the user’s identity.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Proxy
</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">services have a third-party register domain names on the user’s behalf and then license the use of the domain name so that a third-party’s contact information (and not the licensee’s) is published in WHOIS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I prefer the definitions from the Sept. 28, 2009 NORC report.
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<p class="Default"><b><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Background </span></b><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">To ensure that the community can identify who is responsible for a domain name, a registered name holder is required to provide and update, as needed, their contact information with their registrar of record.
Registrars are required by ICANN to collect and provide free public access to the name of the registered domain name and its name servers and registrar, the date the domain was created and when its registration expires, and the contact information for the
Registered Name Holder, the technical contact, and the administrative contact. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">In some instances, a registered name holder chooses to limit the amount of personal information that its registrar of record makes available to the public via a Whois query of their database. To do so, a registered
name holder generally uses a privacy or proxy registration service. For the purpose of this study, the definitions of privacy and proxy services, as they relate to their use in the domain name system, are as follows:
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<p class="Default"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="Default"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt">A privacy service provider
</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt">offers the registrant an opportunity to register a domain name while concealing some personal identifying information listed in a WHOIS directory, such as his or her address, telephone number, or email address,
by providing alternate contact information, often that of the privacy service provider.
</span></i><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt">A proxy service provider
</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt">registers the domain name on the registrant’s behalf and then licenses the use of the domain name to the registrant. The contact information in a WHOIS directory for a domain name registered with a proxy service
is that of the proxy service provider.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There may be an intentional use of the other definitions that I am not aware of but I feel we should provide an extremely clear definition of each term since they are currently used interchangeably in the marketplace.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Susan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Susan Kawaguchi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Domain Name Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Phone - 650 485-6064<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Cell - 650 387 3904<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Please note my email address has changed to
<a href="mailto:skawaguchi@fb.com">skawaguchi@fb.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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