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Dear Sharon,<br>
Tx you so much for trying to find your way through the morass. I
wanted to share that I am looking forward to reading the comments of
LE, but mark my great concern about the newly-expanded LE defintion.
I would value the opportunity to talk with you further, but
expanding LE to all private parties is a real issue -- and one I
thought we had resolved with the three tiers of users:<br>
- LE users (as defined previously, with clear state
authority)<br>
- Expert Users (particularly the private fraud detectors and
malware investigators)<br>
- Other users, including Internet users.<br>
<br>
As much as I respect the Anti-Phishing Working Group, they don't
have the bounds, limits, process and protections of SOCA or the FBI.
They are a private entity operating with private processes. And
that's different. <br>
<br>
If we stick with the original definition, with an emphasis on
access, education, etc. to those private entities using Whois to
enforce their interpretation of the law -- would we be OK? <br>
<br>
[Note: with the note, as you all know, that I have spent 15 years in
this arena watching private parties overstretch and abuse their
authority, or lack thereof. We have to take the abuse cases into
account. LE cares about due process and the limits of the law; many
private parties do not. ]<br>
<br>
Best, Kathy<br>
ps could someone please forward to Sharon since my email to her
bounces. Tx!<br>
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<div><span class="706394013-30112011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Calibri">Dear Emily, Alice and All,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"></span> </div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Calibri">Sorry for arriving at the party late, I have
been watching in awe the hundreds of emails flying about.
We gave until today for our international colleagues to
comment and we have just had our own internal meeting to
finalise the comments on the paper.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"></span> </div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Calibri">The paper complemented our ongoing law
enforcement work within the ICANN community and there are
not comments of major significance -ours are in green. I
know that Alice is currently going through the nightmare of
trying to organise the version control. (Good Luck and
thanks Alice). </font></span><span
class="706394013-30112011"></span></div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Calibri">I have replaced the definition of law
enforcement with:</font></span></div>
<div><span class="706394013-30112011"></span><span
class="706394013-30112011"></span><span
class="706394013-30112011"></span> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US">Any entity with a responsibility to
enforce or ensure observance to or obedience of the law,
whether mandated by government or otherwise<span
class="706394013-30112011">.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"><font
color="#0000ff">We could go on forever with this - but let
me know if there are any show stopping objections.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"><font
color="#0000ff">I hope we make the deadline of 5pm ;-)</font></span></span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family:
Calibri" lang="EN-US"><span class="706394013-30112011"><font
color="#0000ff">Sharon</font></span></span></div>
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<p><span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">Sharon
LEMON OBE</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">Deputy
Director</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">Cyber
and Forensics</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">Serious
and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA)</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">07768
290902</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-gb"><font color="#808080" face="Calibri">0207 855
2800</font></span> </p>
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<b>From:</b> KIBBEY, Gary <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 November 2011 13:16<br>
<b>To:</b> LEMON, Sharon<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report -
24 Nov - Clean CC GK Comments<br>
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<p><span lang="en-gb"><font face="Arial" size="2">Gary Kibbey</font><font
color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2">/ Senior Manager</font><br>
<font color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2">Cyber</font><br>
<font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Serious Organised
Crime Agency</font><font color="#808080" face="Arial"
size="2"> / Tel +44(0)207 855 2863 +44(0)7876790990</font><br>
<font color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gary.kibbey@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk">gary.kibbey@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk</a></font><font
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<b>From:</b> FLAHERTY, Jonathan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 November 2011 17:54<br>
<b>To:</b> KIBBEY, Gary; ADDIS, Benedict<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CURLEY, Cliona<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report -
24 Nov - Clean CC GK Comments<br>
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<p><span lang="en-gb"><b><font color="#808080" face="Arial"
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<b>From:</b> KIBBEY, Gary <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 November 2011 14:34<br>
<b>To:</b> FLAHERTY, Jonathan; ADDIS, Benedict<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CURLEY, Cliona<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report
- 24 Nov - Clean CC GK Comments<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
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you drop onto this working copy. Don't track changes -
just comments.</span></font></div>
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<font color="#808080" face="Arial" size="2">Cyber</font><br>
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