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    I could support a recommendation of an issues report on a
    centralized Whois system for .COM and .NET, to remedy the historical
    problems, but not for all gTLD database. <br>
    <br>
    We take the first step; a later group may take it farther.<br>
    Best,<br>
    Kathy<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    No, I don't think we should attempt to answer these questions in
    RT4, nor presume that we have even identified all of the dependent
    questions.
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        <div>I believe our recommendation should task the Board, within
          a reasonable timeframe (90 days?), to request an issues report
          on a Centralized WHOIS system for all gTLDs, including how it
          should be operated and what measures would be adopted to
          protect against abuse / privacy violations / data harvesting.
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        <div>(This will initiate a PDP which, while slower, will be a
          more comprehensive approach)<br>
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            -------- Original Message --------<br>
            Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois Query system run
            by ICANN -<br>
            Scope and concerns<br>
            From: Emily Taylor &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>&gt;<br>
            Date: Wed, November 30, 2011 10:15 am<br>
            To: "James M. Bladel" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>&gt;<br>
            Cc: Kathy Kleiman &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>&gt;,
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
            <br>
            Hi James<br>
            <br>
            Thanks for raising these points.  Can you suggest some
            language which you think would work?  Also, Kathy raised a
            good point about whether this is limited to thin registries
            (.com, .net) or all?  I don't think we've ever discussed
            this. <br>
            <br>
            Kind regards<br>
            <br>
            Emily<br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 November 2011 16:06, James M.
              Bladel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  target="_blank" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I don't oppose this recommendation, but my
                      issue with this is that we are once again being
                      too vague in what we're asking.</div>
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                    <div>ICANN:    Who?  Staff?  The Board? The GNSO? 
                      Contracted 3rd party?</div>
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                    <div>Set up:  How?  By launching a PDP?  Sending out
                      an RFP?</div>
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                    <div>Deadline?  </div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>Are we confident that this group has considered
                      all of the consequences to privacy, security,
                      access, SLAs, etc.?  (Reasons why a PDP can be
                      more helpful for things like this...)</div>
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                    <div>Thanks--</div>
                    <div><br>
                      J.</div>
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                      <div> -------- Original Message --------<br>
                        Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois Query
                        system run by ICANN -<br>
                        Scope and concerns<br>
                        From: Kathy Kleiman &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
                          target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        Date: Wed, November 30, 2011 9:56 am<br>
                        To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>
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                            <br>
                            All,<br>
                            Is this the current version of the Lutz
                            proposal now in circulation? I <br>
                            thought it applied only to a centralized
                            database of the current "thin <br>
                            registries," namely .COM and .NET. If so, I
                            can see the advantages and <br>
                            support sending it out as a recommendation
                            in the draft report.<br>
                            <br>
                            But if this is a single database of all
                            registries, thick and thin, now <br>
                            and in the future, I think we creating a
                            database problem. It's an <br>
                            enormous amount of data and creates a focal
                            point for abuse, for <br>
                            warehousing, etc. It's the type of policing
                            job that ICANN has never had <br>
                            to do, and is not operationally set up to
                            do.<br>
                            <br>
                            So thought summary: If ICANN is helping
                            remedy a bad situation by <br>
                            operating a single registry for .COM and
                            .NET to fix a historical <br>
                            problem, I think I am OK for now (pending
                            review of the draft with <br>
                            registries -- after publication is fine).
                            One database of all Whois <br>
                            information to Rule the World, not so good.<br>
                            <br>
                            RECOMMENDATION EDIT:<br>
                            <br>
                            Detailed recommendation:<br>
                            ICANN should set up a dedicated,
                            multilingual website to allow<br>
                            "unrestricted and public access to accurate
                            and complete WHOIS<br>
                            information" **FOR .COM AND .NET, THE
                            EXISTING "THIN REGISTRIES"** even for those
                            people which have problems with the plain<br>
                            WHOIS protocol.<br>
                            <br>
                            The WHOIS information should be collected by
                            following the thin WHOIS<br>
                            approach starting at <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://whois.iana.org"
                              target="_blank">whois.iana.org</a>. The
                            service should display the<br>
                            contractural relationships which are
                            revealed by the WHOIS referals in<br>
                            a clear and understandable way. The results
                            should be mark clearly the<br>
                            relevant information "including registrant,
                            technical, ** DELETE BILLING** billing, and<br>
                            administrative contact" data.<br>
                            <br>
                            ** NOTE: Billing data, which includes credit
                            cards Folks, is simply not <br>
                            displayed in any other Whois search results.
                            It is only registrant, <br>
                            technical, and admin contact.**<br>
                            <br>
                            Best,<br>
                            Kathy<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            &gt; Proposal:<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; Summary:<br>
                            &gt; ICANN should set up and maintain a web
                            interface to access<br>
                            &gt; all the WHOIS services in order to ease
                            access to the WHOIS data.<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; Presumption:<br>
                            &gt; The AoC requires that "ICANN implement
                            measures to maintain timely,<br>
                            &gt; unrestricted and public access to
                            accurate and complete WHOIS information,<br>
                            &gt; including registrant, technical,
                            billing, and administrative contact<br>
                            &gt; information."<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; Observation:<br>
                            &gt; An User Insight Report came up with the
                            following results:<br>
                            &gt; + Almost nobody is aware of whois<br>
                            &gt; + Almost nobody is able to query a
                            whois server correctly<br>
                            &gt; + Whois queries were done on websites
                            which occur first in the search<br>
                            &gt; engine results. Usually those pages are
                            overloaded with advertisments.<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; Detailed recommendation:<br>
                            &gt; ICANN should set up a dedicated,
                            multilingual website to allow<br>
                            &gt; "unrestricted and public access to
                            accurate and complete WHOIS<br>
                            &gt; information" even for those people
                            which have problems with the plain<br>
                            &gt; WHOIS protocol.<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; The WHOIS information should be
                            collected by following the thin WHOIS<br>
                            &gt; approach starting at <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://whois.iana.org"
                              target="_blank">whois.iana.org</a>. The
                            service should display the<br>
                            &gt; contractural relationships which are
                            revealed by the WHOIS referals in<br>
                            &gt; a clear and understandable way. The
                            results should be mark clearly the<br>
                            &gt; relevant information "including
                            registrant, technical, billing, and<br>
                            &gt; administrative contact" data.<br>
                            &gt;<br>
                            &gt; The server needs to be run by ICANN
                            itself, because the "timely,<br>
                            &gt; unrestricted and public access" is
                            usually rate limited, stripped or even<br>
                            &gt; blocked by the various WHOIS server
                            administrators for uncontractual<br>
                            &gt; third party access. ICANN itself is the
                            only party having the power to<br>
                            &gt; overcome those limits using its
                            contratual compliance.<br>
                            &gt;
                            _______________________________________________<br>
                            &gt; Rt4-whois mailing list<br>
                            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:Rt4-whois@icann.org"
                              target="_blank">Rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
                            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois"
                              target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois</a><br>
                            <br>
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                            -- <br>
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_______________________________________________<br>
                            Rt4-whois mailing list<br>
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                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois"
                              target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois</a><br>
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