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Sorry Peter,<br>
I see your reasoning, but I can't agree with this one. Its a huge
registry issue and I see LOTS of problems with it, including the
massive transition of personal data across national borders on a
massive scale.<br>
<br>
I really don't see going forward with an enormous new database --
it's policy for the highest form, and on a matter we have not even
agreed to the problems of (missing the fact-based research).<br>
<br>
Again, I see a fact-finding problem that we discussed, researched
and even proved in Lynn's study with .COM and .NET. Solving the
findabiliity in the thin registries we have the base for.<br>
<br>
But I simply don't see a problem with .ORG, .INFO, .BIZ, and all the
other Thick Registries. They are all doing their jobs quite well, no
one has called them out to us, they are the model for the new gTLDs
-- changing how they operate and how this data is processed is a
whole different ballgame. That's a horse of a different color.<br>
<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">agreed<o:p></o:p></span>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Nettlefold, Peter [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au">mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>'; Susan Kawaguchi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com">seth.reiss@lex-ip.com</a>'; '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>';
'<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois Query
system run by ICANN - Scope and concerns
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED<br>
<br>
Hi again,<br>
<br>
As this is our draft, can we propose a compehensive solution
(there are good reasons in favour), and then see what the
other registries say? Maybe they won't oppose it. And if
they do, at least we'll know why.<br>
<br>
What would we lose by trying?<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
</span><br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
Emily Taylor [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu">mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent</b>: Thursday, December 01, 2011 08:32 AM<br>
<b>To</b>: Susan Kawaguchi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susank@fb.com"><susank@fb.com></a> <br>
<b>Cc</b>: Seth M Reiss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com"><seth.reiss@lex-ip.com></a>;
Nettlefold, Peter; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"><rt4-whois@icann.org></a>
<br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois Query
system run by ICANN - Scope and concerns
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
<br>
</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I agree with
Susan.<br>
<br>
Does the most recent wording reflect the "smart web portal"
concept? Sorry if I've missed it. Have just got in.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30 November 2011 21:30, Susan
Kawaguchi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:susank@fb.com">susank@fb.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
will not oppose it if we include all gTlds but my gut
feeling is that the other registries may be opposed to
being included in this web portal. If we keep it as
uncomplicated as possible we are more likely to gain
the consensus of the community.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Seth M Reiss [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com"
target="_blank">seth.reiss@lex-ip.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Kawaguchi; 'Nettlefold, Peter'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"
target="_blank">
jbladel@godaddy.com</a>; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu"
target="_blank">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois
Query system run by ICANN - Scope and concerns
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
agree with Peter. I do not know why we would want
to limit it to .com and .net even though these GTLDs
present the greatest challenge to the WHOIS
consumer. I think the smart portal idea that Lutz
proposed avoid the concerns Kathy expressed
regarding management; I am not sure I understand
Susan’s concerns that it be limited to only to the
two GTLDs most in need of the service.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seth</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kawaguchi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:15 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> Nettlefold, Peter; '<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>';
'<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu" target="_blank">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized
Whois Query system run by ICANN - Scope and
concerns [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That
was my understanding when we discussed previously
but this would only be for .com and .net
registrations. Is this feasible ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Nettlefold, Peter [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au"
target="_blank">Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:12
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Kawaguchi; '<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"
target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>'; '<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu"
target="_blank">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized
Whois Query system run by ICANN - Scope and
concerns [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED<br>
<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
I've missed a lot of discussion on this overnight
my time, so I apologise if I've missed something
that answers my question.<br>
<br>
The references to an ICANN database are confusing
to me, and may be part of the contention here.<br>
<br>
I had understood that we would recommend that
ICANN create a smart web portal for consumers that
would effectively do a WHOIS search for them. As I
understood it, ICANN would not need to make its
own database, thereby avoiding some of the data
protection issues, and instead purely focus on the
user experience.<br>
<br>
Is this what others had understood?<br>
<br>
If so, does this address the concerns about scope
- ie why wouldn't ICANN provide a comprehensive
search tool for all gTLDs?<br>
<br>
Please let me know if I've got this wrong.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
</span><br>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
Susan Kawaguchi [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:susank@fb.com" target="_blank">susank@fb.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent</b>: Thursday, December 01, 2011 03:27
AM<br>
<b>To</b>: James M. Bladel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"
target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>;
Emily Taylor <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu"
target="_blank">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>>
<br>
<b>Cc</b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized
Whois Query system run by ICANN - Scope and
concerns
<br>
</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
agree that we should not try and answer all the
questions but I was under the impression that the
centralized WHOIS was only targeting .com and .net
to solve the problem of having to search for the
correct registrar out of the almost 1000
possible.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
do not agree to include all gtlds.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:21
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Emily Taylor<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized
Whois Query system run by ICANN - Scope and
concerns</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">No,
I don't think we should attempt to answer these
questions in RT4, nor presume that we have even
identified all of the dependent questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
believe our recommendation should task the
Board, within a reasonable timeframe (90 days?),
to request an issues report on a Centralized
WHOIS system for all gTLDs, including how it
should be operated and what measures would be
adopted to protect against abuse / privacy
violations / data harvesting.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">(This
will initiate a PDP which, while slower, will be
a more comprehensive approach)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized Whois
Query system run by ICANN -<br>
Scope and concerns<br>
From: Emily Taylor <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu"
target="_blank">emily@emilytaylor.eu</a>><br>
Date: Wed, November 30, 2011 10:15 am<br>
To: "James M. Bladel" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"
target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>><br>
Cc: Kathy Kleiman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org"
target="_blank">rt4-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<br>
Hi James<br>
<br>
Thanks for raising these points. Can you
suggest some language which you think would
work? Also, Kathy raised a good point about
whether this is limited to thin registries
(.com, .net) or all? I don't think we've ever
discussed this.
<br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
<br>
Emily</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">On
30 November 2011 16:06, James M. Bladel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"
target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
don't oppose this recommendation, but my
issue with this is that we are once
again being too vague in what we're
asking.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ICANN:
Who? Staff? The Board? The GNSO?
Contracted 3rd party?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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we confident that this group has
considered all of the consequences to
privacy, security, access, SLAs, etc.?
(Reasons why a PDP can be more helpful
for things like this...)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Centralized
Whois Query system run by ICANN -<br>
Scope and concerns<br>
From: Kathy Kleiman <<a
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Date: Wed, November 30, 2011 9:56 am<br>
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All,<br>
Is this the current version of the
Lutz proposal now in circulation?
I <br>
thought it applied only to a
centralized database of the
current "thin <br>
registries," namely .COM and .NET.
If so, I can see the advantages
and <br>
support sending it out as a
recommendation in the draft
report.<br>
<br>
But if this is a single database
of all registries, thick and thin,
now <br>
and in the future, I think we
creating a database problem. It's
an <br>
enormous amount of data and
creates a focal point for abuse,
for <br>
warehousing, etc. It's the type of
policing job that ICANN has never
had <br>
to do, and is not operationally
set up to do.<br>
<br>
So thought summary: If ICANN is
helping remedy a bad situation by
<br>
operating a single registry for
.COM and .NET to fix a historical
<br>
problem, I think I am OK for now
(pending review of the draft with
<br>
registries -- after publication is
fine). One database of all Whois <br>
information to Rule the World, not
so good.<br>
<br>
RECOMMENDATION EDIT:<br>
<br>
Detailed recommendation:<br>
ICANN should set up a dedicated,
multilingual website to allow<br>
"unrestricted and public access to
accurate and complete WHOIS<br>
information" **FOR .COM AND .NET,
THE EXISTING "THIN REGISTRIES"**
even for those people which have
problems with the plain<br>
WHOIS protocol.<br>
<br>
The WHOIS information should be
collected by following the thin
WHOIS<br>
approach starting at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://whois.iana.org"
target="_blank">whois.iana.org</a>.
The service should display the<br>
contractural relationships which
are revealed by the WHOIS referals
in<br>
a clear and understandable way.
The results should be mark clearly
the<br>
relevant information "including
registrant, technical, ** DELETE
BILLING** billing, and<br>
administrative contact" data.<br>
<br>
** NOTE: Billing data, which
includes credit cards Folks, is
simply not <br>
displayed in any other Whois
search results. It is only
registrant, <br>
technical, and admin contact.**<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
<br>
> Proposal:<br>
><br>
> Summary:<br>
> ICANN should set up and
maintain a web interface to access<br>
> all the WHOIS services in
order to ease access to the WHOIS
data.<br>
><br>
> Presumption:<br>
> The AoC requires that "ICANN
implement measures to maintain
timely,<br>
> unrestricted and public
access to accurate and complete
WHOIS information,<br>
> including registrant,
technical, billing, and
administrative contact<br>
> information."<br>
><br>
> Observation:<br>
> An User Insight Report came
up with the following results:<br>
> + Almost nobody is aware of
whois<br>
> + Almost nobody is able to
query a whois server correctly<br>
> + Whois queries were done on
websites which occur first in the
search<br>
> engine results. Usually those
pages are overloaded with
advertisments.<br>
><br>
> Detailed recommendation:<br>
> ICANN should set up a
dedicated, multilingual website to
allow<br>
> "unrestricted and public
access to accurate and complete
WHOIS<br>
> information" even for those
people which have problems with
the plain<br>
> WHOIS protocol.<br>
><br>
> The WHOIS information should
be collected by following the thin
WHOIS<br>
> approach starting at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://whois.iana.org"
target="_blank">whois.iana.org</a>.
The service should display the<br>
> contractural relationships
which are revealed by the WHOIS
referals in<br>
> a clear and understandable
way. The results should be mark
clearly the<br>
> relevant information
"including registrant, technical,
billing, and<br>
> administrative contact" data.<br>
><br>
> The server needs to be run by
ICANN itself, because the "timely,<br>
> unrestricted and public
access" is usually rate limited,
stripped or even<br>
> blocked by the various WHOIS
server administrators for
uncontractual<br>
> third party access. ICANN
itself is the only party having
the power to<br>
> overcome those limits using
its contratual compliance.<br>
>
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