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<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri
color=#0000ff>Kathy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>I got
this!. The only reason I changed the definition was at Peter and Emily's
request as they thought the one in the document was a bit 'police state' like
(my words, not theirs!). I tend to agree.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>I am
extremely relaxed about the definition and if it has moved on since my last
effort, then I am happy to go with the latest version.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=305130914-30112011><FONT face=Calibri
color=#0000ff>Sharon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>Sharon LEMON
OBE</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>Deputy
Director</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri
color=#808080>Cyber and Forensics</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT
face=Calibri color=#808080>Serious and Organised Crime Agency
(SOCA)</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>07768
290902</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>0207
855 2800</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Kathy Kleiman
[mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 November 2011
14:02<BR><B>To:</B> rt4-whois@icann.org; LEMON, Sharon<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Rt4-whois] WHOIS Policy RT - Law Enforcement
comments.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dear Sharon,<BR>Tx you so much for trying to
find your way through the morass. I wanted to share that I am looking
forward to reading the comments of LE, but mark my great concern about the
newly-expanded LE defintion. I would value the opportunity to talk with you
further, but expanding LE to all private parties is a real issue -- and one I
thought we had resolved with the three tiers of users:<BR>
- LE users (as defined previously, with clear state
authority)<BR> - Expert Users
(particularly the private fraud detectors and malware
investigators)<BR> - Other users,
including Internet users.<BR><BR>As much as I respect the Anti-Phishing
Working Group, they don't have the bounds, limits, process and protections of
SOCA or the FBI. They are a private entity operating with private
processes. And that's different. <BR><BR>If we stick with the original
definition, with an emphasis on access, education, etc. to those private
entities using Whois to enforce their interpretation of the law -- would we be
OK? <BR><BR>[Note: with the note, as you all know, that I have spent 15 years
in this arena watching private parties overstretch and abuse their authority,
or lack thereof. We have to take the abuse cases into account. LE cares about
due process and the limits of the law; many private parties do not.
]<BR><BR>Best, Kathy<BR>ps could someone please forward to Sharon since my
email to her bounces. Tx!<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=706394013-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>Dear
Emily, Alice and All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=706394013-30112011></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=706394013-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>Sorry
for arriving at the party late, I have been watching in awe the hundreds of
emails flying about. We gave until today for our international
colleagues to comment and we have just had our own internal meeting to
finalise the comments on the paper.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=706394013-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>The
paper complemented our ongoing law enforcement work within the ICANN
community and there are not comments of major significance -ours are in
green. I know that Alice is currently going through the nightmare of
trying to organise the version control. (Good Luck and thanks Alice).
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=706394013-30112011></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=706394013-30112011><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff>I have
replaced the definition of law enforcement with:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=706394013-30112011></SPAN><SPAN
class=706394013-30112011></SPAN> </DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri">Any entity with
a responsibility to enforce or ensure observance to or obedience of the law,
whether mandated by government or otherwise<SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri"><SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri"><SPAN
class=706394013-30112011><FONT color=#0000ff>We could go on forever with
this - but let me know if there are any show stopping
objections.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri"><SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri"><SPAN
class=706394013-30112011><FONT color=#0000ff>I hope we make the deadline of
5pm ;-)</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang=EN-US
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color=#0000ff>Sharon</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>Sharon LEMON
OBE</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri
color=#808080>Deputy Director</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT
face=Calibri color=#808080>Cyber and Forensics</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri color=#808080>Serious and Organised Crime
Agency (SOCA)</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Calibri
color=#808080>07768 290902</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT
face=Calibri color=#808080>0207 855 2800</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> KIBBEY, Gary
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 November 2011 13:16<BR><B>To:</B> LEMON,
Sharon<BR><B>Subject:</B> FW: Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24
Nov - Clean CC GK Comments<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary Kibbey</FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#808080 size=2>/ Senior Manager</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2>Cyber</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>Serious Organised Crime Agency</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#808080
size=2> / Tel +44(0)207 855 2863 +44(0)7876790990</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:gary.kibbey@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk">gary.kibbey@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk</A></FONT><FONT
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> FLAHERTY,
Jonathan <BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 November 2011 17:54<BR><B>To:</B> KIBBEY, Gary;
ADDIS, Benedict<BR><B>Cc:</B> CURLEY, Cliona<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean CC GK
Comments<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=186565217-29112011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
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<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><B><FONT face=Arial color=#808080 size=2>Jon Flaherty |
HVOM | SOCA Cyber & Forensics | 0207 855 2808 | 07919 218439 | <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:jonathan.flaherty@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk">jonathan.flaherty@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk</A></FONT></B></SPAN>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> KIBBEY, Gary
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 November 2011 14:34<BR><B>To:</B> FLAHERTY, Jonathan;
ADDIS, Benedict<BR><B>Cc:</B> CURLEY, Cliona<BR><B>Subject:</B> FW:
Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov - Clean CC GK
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=042043214-29112011>If you have any comments -can you drop onto this
working copy. Don't track changes - just comments.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=042043214-29112011>Ta </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=042043214-29112011>Gary </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary Kibbey</FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#808080 size=2>/ Senior Manager</FONT><BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#808080 size=2>Cyber</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2>Serious Organised Crime Agency</FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2> / Tel +44(0)207 855 2863
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Gary<BR><B>Subject:</B> Emailing: WHOIS Policy RT - Draft report - 24 Nov
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