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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Regarding the action item: “Staff to capture and share all discussions to-date around outreach.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">There is a google doc on the SSR2 wiki (<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64076120">docs & drafts page</a>) where we have collated all the discussions on this topic so far. The google doc is now also linked
to the action item on the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/Plenary+Action+Items">
action items page</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iqI-67Ir-EydmPPJzsEeBO98X4jucgpFX3HaL_9Q-hc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iqI-67Ir-EydmPPJzsEeBO98X4jucgpFX3HaL_9Q-hc/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:32 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Cc: Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org>, "Osterweil, Eric via Ssr2-review" <ssr2-review@icann.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Ext] Re: [Ssr2-review] Draft Outreach LIst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> This make little sense to me. Either we have "members of the RT from the ASO, GNSO, ccNSO etc to help us with out reach to their communities” or we start compiling lists of organisations where we have "a plan to engage with key groups
inside and outside of ICANN” to directly quote from recent messages in this thread.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> I suggested a few LEAs as additions to the latter request and what James is telling me is that he wants to pursue the former. To say that the messaging is inconsistent here is of course obvious. But I sense behind this is a reluctance
to actually have these engagements and instead exercise a preference to use a comfortable ersatz insiders view that gives the veneer of external engagement without the substance. My misgivings about this entire review exercise only increase with time given
such conversations as these.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Geoff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > On 26 May 2017, at 5:41 pm, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > PSO died a long time ago =)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > No my point was for the LEA community where there are more complex politics involved lets remember that we have a useful conduit to assist us with that area, which TBH is pretty rare in ICANN Was so lets utilise that lucky situation
we have. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > Same way I would expect members of the RT from the ASO, GNSO, ccNSO etc to help us with out reach to their communities also.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > -James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > On 26/05/2017, 05:18, "ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Geoff Huston" <ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org on behalf of gih@apnic.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> > <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> Well by the same logic, why are we proposing to talk with the RIRs when we have the ASO, and we have RIR folk in this committee? And why propose talk to the IAB, W3C, etc when we have the PSO and active IETF folk also in this
committee. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> Seems to me that this a more than a little xenophobic - if all we want to do is to parrot back the comfortable conversations and acknowledged interests that already sit with ICANN then lets not talk to anyone outside the ICANN
tent then! <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> ( 1/4 :-) )<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> Geoff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> On 26 May 2017, at 5:41 am, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> And lets remember that we have KerryAnn as a GAC appointee who works with the PSWG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> -James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> From: ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of dmb@donblumenthal.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Sent: 25 May 2017 20:29<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> To: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>; Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Cc: Osterweil, Eric via Ssr2-review <ssr2-review@icann.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Draft Outreach LIst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Many LE types who played prominent roles directly now work through the GAC PSWG. We might have to be careful about talking to some of them directly given political sensitivities that have hindered governmental, including LE,
contributions in the past.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Having said that, there have been some LE folks who have had the good fortune to retire recently that could be useful resources.
<span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Don (not so recently retired but still kept working USG civil LE)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> From: Geoff Huston<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:00 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> To: Jennifer Bryce<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Cc: Osterweil, Eric via Ssr2-review<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Subject: Re: [Ssr2-review] Draft Outreach LIst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> You might want to add some of the prominent LEA actors, including Interpol, Europol and the FBI to this list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> Geoff<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> On 25 May 2017, at 8:46 pm, Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> I’m re-circulating the below list should this help with discussions, per the action item from the previous call (Action: Review team to share thoughts on list regarding outreach and engagement, and possible guidelines.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> The document is on the wiki here:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D64076120-26preview-3D_64076120_64078800_SSR2-2520Draft-2520Outreach-2520List-252028March17.docx&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=VuRMFw6YascG5ysc1jEHBZgGTtD6QSLrFmqdvMx5FM8&m=iLUMASi6_Y-Zbhyvd7pADGmADMCbHKZHyqcztYUh2Ng&s=MpfZpdz6R8YaGImYFeY_QBLP-66TZR9W9NrokJBLC1I&e=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> From: <ssr2-review-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel <denisemichel@fb.com><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 12:46 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> To: SSR2 <ssr2-review@icann.org><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Subject: [Ssr2-review] Draft Outreach LIst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Dear Team Members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Here’s an initial outreach list (not exhaustive) to seed our development of a plan to engage with key groups inside and outside of ICANN. We’ve noted it as an agenda item in tomorrow’s call to get us thinking and sharing ideas.
We’ll put this list on the wiki and invite Team members to add to it (or subtract) and note ideas on forms of engagement (ie. Email exchange, conference call, face-to-face, etc.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Denise<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> ICANN Groups<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Security Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • GAC’s Public Safety Working Group (PSWG)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • GNSO constituencies (see list on website)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Country Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Address Supporting Organization (ASO)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Board<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Board Technical Experts Group (TEG)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> SSR1 Review Team<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> IETF<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> IAB<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> W3C<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Regional Internet Registries (RIRs)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • African Network Information Center (AFRINIC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Asia-Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Latin American and Caribbean Network Information Centre (LACNIC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Regional country code top-level domain organizations<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • African TLD Organization (AFTLD)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Council of European National TLD Registries (CENTR)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Asia Pacific TLD Organization (APTLD)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> • Latin American and Carribean TLD Organization (LACTLD)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Anti-Phishing Working Group (APWG)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> Messaging, Malware and Mobile Anti-Abuse Working Group (M3AAWG)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> >>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
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