PS to last message. It looks as if there won’t be time to exchange thoughts before the Tuesday session with SSAC. The corresponding time doesn’t exist here. 🙂<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:47 PM Don Blumenthal <<a href="mailto:dmb@donblumenthal.com">dmb@donblumenthal.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">I think that an overview comprised of our subteam structure and progress is sufficient background. Beyond that, we need to engage in a discussion of how we plan to go forward. I’ll point out that almost any ICANN effort I have been part of has participants who don’t care enough to be very involved. We need to focus on our critics by focusing on substance of their concerns. Any attempt to explain why we have done certain things, or not done them, will be pointless. To be trite, there is no point in trying to unring a bell.</div><br><div dir="auto">The core issue as I see it, and I know from posts here that others share the view, is that we have gone beyond our remit and capabilities. Whether true from our standpoint or not, we have heard about it from the Board and then SSAC, but fundamentally have done nothing to say that we are listening. The problems go both ways. We asked for clarifications when the Board first raised concerns in Johannesburg but didn’t receive specifics quntil the message that focused on Subteam 2. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We need to show that we are listening. Discuss the concerns about the ToR directly. Be prepared to edit our tasks or be specific if we have concerns about why we are being told that we have exceeded our remit. One example: the letter about Subteam 2 shows an assumption the we plan to conduct an audit. As a veteran of 27001 projects and instructor in other regimes, I will say that we don’t have the time or professional capabilities to do that. What we can is do is isolate items for further study by contracted specialists, which is what I thought was the case when the groups prepared the tasks. When discussing issues, we also should focus on ones that we can do something about. A major SSAC concern is that processes for choosing RT2 members were not followed correctly. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One additional item to consider in any response, written or in a meeting, is that we can’t separate entirely the Board and SSAC with respect to the RT2. SSAC includes the Board Chair and probably the most active Board liaison. Another Board member has been a semi-regular Observer on calls. Some bleed through is inevitable, even if not expressed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope that this message is useful in getting all parties heading in the same direction quickly. It’s about time to wrap up in EDT. Naturally, I will address any follow up in my morning.</div></div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Don</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:36 PM Osterweil, Eric via Ssr2-review <<a href="mailto:ssr2-review@icann.org" target="_blank">ssr2-review@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



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On Oct 31, 2017, at 12:30 AM, Boban Krsic <<a href="mailto:krsic@denic.de" target="_blank">krsic@denic.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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From: ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" target="_blank">aalain@trstech.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:19 AM<br>
Subject: [Ssr2-review] Fwd: SSR2 Schedule: Abu Dhabi<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word">We have had 2 days of our outreach and community engagement. No  real inputs to our works received, Some questions about the new developments and the letters,  some questions about the SSR1 recommendations
 implementation gap analysis RFP, some generic questions about the SSR review schedules and the SSR review and ICANN strategic planning…</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word">Shouldn’t we review the method in light of the results ?</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word">Can we use the 30mn discussion with SSAC to solely discuss their concerns  and possible solutions?</div>
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<span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0)"><b>From: </b></span><span>Jennifer Bryce <<a href="mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org" target="_blank">jennifer.bryce@icann.org</a>><br>
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<span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0)"><b>Subject: </b></span><span><b>[Ssr2-review] SSR2 Schedule: Abu Dhabi</b><br>
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<span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0)"><b>Date: </b></span><span>25 October 2017 at 12:22:17 GMT<br>
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<span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0)"><b>To: </b></span><span>"<a href="mailto:ssr2-review@icann.org" target="_blank">ssr2-review@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ssr2-review@icann.org" target="_blank">ssr2-review@icann.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">Here is the latest schedule of SSR2 sessions at ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi. You will have received calendar invites to all of the meetings from Yvette. For those traveling to Abu Dhabi, safe travels and see you there on Friday.</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt">Friday 27 October </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">09:00 – 17:30 | SSR2 Review Team Face-to-Face Meeting| Capital Suite 01 (not on public schedule as prior to ICANN60)</span></li></ul>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt">Saturday 28 October</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">15:15 - 15:45 | At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) | Hall A, Sec B. | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbJ0&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=Xrw9NPXhaM89wV82EWzrl58DU0WtU7aGyY3cpPkn4QA&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbJ0</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">17:30 - 18:00 | Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC) | Capital Suite 05 | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbFT&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=1VUr8RreLJ10SkzeApdYUjst6ZRZLWFWGojGM_f2gpQ&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbFT</a>(invite
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt">Sunday 29 October </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">11:30 - 12:00 | Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) | Hall B, Sec. B/C |<span class="m_3776051383174518065m_-446678764049945630m_3070139911568894303Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbId&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=6GuIsVTucUVGGY1t4nriXM5oLqwy1rKXESiBxh0sl90&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbId</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">13:30 – 15:00 | SSR2 Review Team Community Engagement Session| Capital Suite 14 | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbGX&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=50mBdV0d7gBei64BVat81bsT-wH6Py7qkLZtDErPCy4&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbGX</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">15:30 - 16:45 | Address Supporting Organization (ASO) | Capital Suite 07 |<span class="m_3776051383174518065m_-446678764049945630m_3070139911568894303Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbFw&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=GfbL9OtQC3IYQq2W522rnqPyd9WeEnszwAuM0MuD-P8&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbFw</a></span></li></ul>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt">Tuesday 31 October </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">08:30 - 08:55 | Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) | Hall A, Sec. B/C | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbKA&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=s-bexWIVI-_QN5nE4fBAXzn1wFFDnc0SGaV8zJ5Fnr8&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbKA</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">10:35 - 10:55 | Commercial Stakeholder Group (CSG) | Capital Suite 01 |<span class="m_3776051383174518065m_-446678764049945630m_3070139911568894303Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbF0&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=ShtxF0lTn1Vv-cwXwy9hfXlhvkmHZY6OB2YVM-jSu7o&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbF0</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">11:30 - 12:00 | Security & Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) | Capital Suite 19 | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbGx&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=pG1X8GJQSSZ3QVvzwxynhwLcKU2Q3nLQv2tvItBKpgU&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbGx</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">14:00 - 14:30 | Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns (NPOC)| Capital Suite 07 | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbG3&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=uSKru3uEzEu-WTmM1Hn0c3liryZ_-uAvxkhbakAU3fs&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbG3</a></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt">16:25 - 16:55 | Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) | Capital Suite 07 |<span class="m_3776051383174518065m_-446678764049945630m_3070139911568894303Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbG4&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=I-LkJm5fl0760He8147AIH6SCf1B8SOUpkw_Gz7Ovcs&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbG4</a></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">13:45 – 15:00 | SSR2 Review Team Meeting with Board Caucus Group| Hall A, Sec. B/C | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbKJ&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=IU1hy3IeULo3FSiFzUidP41iJEZ1qY81yvd2hfPDAhs&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbKJ</a></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">09:00 – 17:30 | SSR2 Review Team Face-to-Face Meeting| Capital Suite 01 | <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_CbF7&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=MWVuq3jZIw5gwhGdDf-HWNL4CEWIsdUnt9gOgplCArM&m=vdyYA1MYCijbANpDGePPSCNzuVtSvJuPHj2O8vKZs6k&s=KSkUt1nrsS4IYgPniwvwzabETbBiEotoGAbqIf9ztso&e=" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://sched.co/CbF7</a></span></li></ul>
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