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Same for me, with the proviso that I would prefer to think of IRIS
as project that will not be revived in itself. We should directly
start work on an RWS-based solution and think of ways to integrate
ideas and lessons learned from IRIS in it.<br>
<br>
I believe that a face-to-face meeting would help to establish
consensus on a resolute advancement, using means that are available
to ICANN's technical staff. <br>
<br>
For instance:<br>
1) introduce an RWS-based service for whois.iana.org as an example<br>
2) create are real Internic whois service for information on
registrars, as an addition to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.internic.org/regist.html">http://www.internic.org/regist.html</a>
and based on RWS <br>
3) issue a proposal for the replacement of the port-43 whois
requirement with a new RWS-based standard for gTLD registries. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Werner<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20110127 09:30 , Sean Shen 沈烁 wrote:
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color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Although I won’t be
able to go to San Francisco, I would like to join the
session remotely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tech-whois-bounces@icann.org">tech-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tech-whois-bounces@icann.org">mailto:tech-whois-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eugen
Staicut<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steve Sheng; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tech-whois@icann.org">tech-whois@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tech-whois] A follow up session in
San Francisco?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">I would
be interested to attend to presentations about IRIS and
RWS.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">Eugenie
Staicut</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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Dear all,</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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We had a successful workshop in Cartagena last year.
Thinking</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
ahead for the San Francisco meeting, we would like to ask if
there</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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would be any interest in scheduling a follow up session in
San</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Francisco. Particularly we thought about inviting IRIS and
RWS</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
authors and implementers to come and give presentations
about their</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
experience, and then engage a discussion on the technical
evolution</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> of
WHOIS.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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If there is sufficient interest, we can request a slot in
the San</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Francisco meeting and invite speakers to come.</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Warm regards,</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
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lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Steve Sheng</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Senior Technical Analyst</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ICANN</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Internet Corporation for</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Assigned Names and Numbers</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
P: +1 (310) 578 8607</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
C: +1 (310) 463 8430</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.icann.org">www.icann.org</a></span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> On
1/7/11 9:27 AM, "Steve Sheng" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve.sheng@icann.org"><steve.sheng@icann.org></a>
wrote:</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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FYI. Comments from Hugo Salgado regarding the Technical
Evolution of</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the Whois Service document. We welcome any additional
comments.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Any thoughts / responses to Hugo's comment?</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Warm regards,</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Steve</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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------ Forwarded Message</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
From: Hugo Salgado <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hsalgado@nic.cl"><hsalgado@nic.cl></a></span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:16:46 -0800</span><span lang="EN">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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To: Francisco Arias <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org"><francisco.arias@icann.org></a></span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Subject: Comments on Technical Evolution of the Whois
Service</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Dear Francisco.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
I'd like to comment the "Technical Evolution of the Whois
Service</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
Preliminary Draft, 15 November 2010" document that you
presented</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> in
39th ICANN's meeting, that I obtained through this link:</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cartagena39.icann.org/meetings/cartagena2010/presentation-te">http://cartagena39.icann.org/meetings/cartagena2010/presentation-te</a></span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
ch-evolu</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
tion-whois-service-15nov10-en.pdf></span><span lang="EN">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> 1.
I think there's a fourth point in the 3 deficiencies of the</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
WHOIS</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
protocol that are enumerated in page 3, under "Extending the</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
existing</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
WHOIS protocol:" subtitle. That's the "Referrals" item. Even
when</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> is</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
mentioned in the RWhois description and as a implicit
benefit of</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
the</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
HTTP protocol, I believe is of great importance and should
be one</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> of</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
the key requirement of an improved whois, whatever solution
will</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
be.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> </span><span
lang="EN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> 2.
IMHO there's a chance of another option for improving whois:</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
create a</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
new "application-transport" layer in IRIS (such as BEEP and
LWZ)</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
that</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
uses HTTP. In that way you benefit from the data
standarization</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> of</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
IRIS (request/response format, schemas, entities) and the
work</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">> of</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
the IETF, and you gain all the benefits of using RWS with
the</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
existing web infrastructure and expertise. We can ask for</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
guidance</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
of the IRIS authors and write a draft, and maybe reopen the</span><span
lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Arial","sans-serif";" lang="EN">>
CRISP</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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WG in the IETF.</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Saludos y un feliz año 2011!</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hugo Salgado</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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NIC Chile - .CL</span><span lang="EN"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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