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Dear Judith,<br>
<br>
this all sounds like enough material to cover several TTF calls.
Perhaps putting together a schedule of testing, trying not to cram
too many products in one test, starting with a priority list? I
agree that Zoom might be a priority, as this is already in use in
ICANN.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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Those are all the ones I've heard of. That said, I'd like to
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<p>HI All,</p>
<p>These are all great tools. I am in the process of scheduling
the next TTF meeting and aiming for the week of December 7 .
ICANN meeting, IGF and others have been taking up much of the
time so that is why the long wait since our last meeting.
<br>
</p>
<p>So far, I have the tools of Spacial Chat. I have used this
at the Brazilian IGF Party and it is very cool.
<br>
</p>
<p>Remo, Gather.town, Hopin.to Any other networking tools we
should put on the list?</p>
<p>Jonathan Zuck, any other tools to add to test them out<br>
</p>
<p>ITI will have given their demos a week earlier so would love
to have them on and then I would love to reschedule the Open
data talk</p>
<p>Also on the agenda is a talk about the YouTube Pilot and what
ICANN learned from there and whether this is going to be
expanded and continued from last time</p>
<p>So It looks like a full agenda, but still interested in
hearing your thoughts on what should be on the agenda for the
December Call</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/2020 9:04 AM, Satish
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<div>Dear all</div>
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<div>SpatialChat seems to be good, but appears to have an
upper limit of 50 participants.</div>
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<div>With kind regards,</div>
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6:15 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a
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<div>Hello all,<br>
<br>
Chris Buckridge from RIPE has mentioned that RIPE 81
used a software called "SpacialChat". In his words:<br>
<pre>And one final point - we’ve been using Spatialchat during the breaks (and for the “virtual dinner”) at RIPE 81 this week, and it’s been a huge success from my perspective (and what I’ve heard from others) - rock solid system, and a lovely chance to actually “run into” people and chat… it’s not the same as in-person, but it’s a definite step in that direction:
<a href="https://spatial.chat" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://spatial.chat</a>
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It would therefore be good to add this to the shortlist
of software that TTF could test out.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div>On 21/10/2020 19:24, Trinidad and Tobago Computer
Society wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello, lots of choices. I'll throw in
another one : Hopin <a href="https://hopin.to/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://hopin.to/</a><br>
Here's the short 85 second teaser video <a
href="https://youtu.be/EpErMqMyNN4"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/EpErMqMyNN4</a><br>
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<div>I attended a online conference (not related to
ICANN) and it had several features which to me
would fit well with ICANN meetings :<br>
<br>
- Reception Area where latest updates, links are
shared, resources - like the lobby of the ICANN
meeting <br>
- main stage where the main sessions will take
place - so things like welcome session and key
plenary sessions, webinars </div>
<div>- Sessions - the "smaller" sessions so At-Large
sessions with NPOC, GAC, SSAC, GNSO tracks
happening or breakout sessions ; each session can
have its own chat so you can always have an
at-large group chat ; you can have "special"
sessions so only certain persons will see it and
not publicised, so maybe the ALAC Excom logged in
attendees could have their room to strategize,
ICANN Staff can have for their internal staff
coordination</div>
<div>- networking - you can directly video chat with
any person attending the event so when you go for
a "coffee" break or want to follow up or meet
someone, you can or pair up with a conference
attendee randomly (or set it up like Fellows will
be paired with mentors or SMEs)</div>
<div>- Expo area - vendors can still have their
"booths" you can network , you click on the booth
and participate in the live session with the
vendor (so you could have a virtual At-Large booth
there) or have a on demand video played and a
vendor chat with participants<br>
- all the while, there's a main chat which you can
hide but then also participate in so there's no
separate chat channel ; Organisers and Hosts
messages in the chat are more clearly identified
so you see the staff responses faster</div>
<div>- live polls can be done to get the
"temperature of the room" </div>
<div><br>
Here's the 2 min orientation video by the
conference organiser of the one I attended
<a href="https://youtu.be/Iqt1Df9Ffgk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/Iqt1Df9Ffgk</a><br>
and one which is a much deeper dive of the hopin
features : <a
href="https://youtu.be/ikj54geMF8M?t=122"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/ikj54geMF8M?t=122</a><br>
<br>
So to me, it really brings the F2F event online in
a way which I didn't see before. </div>
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</div>
<div>So definitely this should also be looked at by
the TTF<br>
<br>
--<br>
Dev Anand </div>
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2020 at 07:20, Judith Hellerstein <<a
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<div dir="auto">Hi Olivier,
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</div>
<div>OK you make a good point. we will test
them, irregardless of what ICANN says. I will
schedule them a couple of them for either the
December or the January meeting.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best.</div>
<div>Judith<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 21, 2020, at
3:56 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a
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<div dir="ltr"> Dear Judith,<br>
<br>
this is the Technology Task Force which
tests out *all* technology irrespective of
what ICANN decides to approve at the end.
Youtube is there to watch sessions more
easily and using less resources than Zoom.
Remo is for networking outside sessions.
So are Gathertown and Virbela. Let's test
them out on future TTF meetings?<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div>On 20/10/2020 19:55, Judith
Hellerstein wrote:<br>
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<p>HI Raitme,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your comments. I
have heard good things about REMO.
However at ICANN we are limited to use
the technologies that are approved. We
are trying to get some new engagement
tools approved and working within the
system and hopefully we will succeed.
We did succeed in getting this YouRube
pilot at the ICANN meetings and we
hope it is a way to watch sessions
with less bandwidth interruptions</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div>On 10/20/2020 9:07 AM, Raitme
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<div>Greetings to everyone<br>
<br>
On this interesting point, I would
like to comment a little on my
experience in some virtual
socialization environments
<br>
<br>
A few years ago, second life was
an excellent 3d environment for
events and interest group
socialization, however, this tool
is not exactly inclusive for the
following reasons<br>
<br>
- It requires a bandwidth of at
least 10 mb to be able to have a
good experience, (this
unfortunately is not possible in
many regions of the world where
they do not even have half this
minimum).<br>
<br>
- requires having a computer
almost at a gamer style level,
configuration that is usually
quite expensive for most.<br>
<br>
However I would like to share a
similar to REMO but simpler and
much cheaper to make meetings of
more than 25 people for the price
works in terms of the amount of
time per participant connected.
<a
href="https://gather.town/pricing"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gather.town/pricing</a><br>
<br>
They also allow to create 2D
environments where they have
different style pre-configurations
(Campus, schools, offices) as well
as allowing to create their own
configurations.<br>
<br>
The interesting thing, to my
evaluation that allows to create
inside that space, interactive
elements to promote the virtual
collaboration. since it foments
the gamification of all the
spaces. also it allows to create
personal spaces for the
assistants. I think that this
differentiating factor can be
interesting to explore (also has
the typical for meetings chat,
audio, video)<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://gather.town/features"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gather.town/features</a><br>
<br>
Most importantly, you can have
spaces for small groups of up to
25 people for free as long as they
are used regularly.<br>
<br>
If some people want I can create a
test space for those who wish to
enter and test it.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
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06:09, Alfredo Calderon (<a
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<div>Other organizations have
been using VIRBELA - <a
href="https://www.virbela.com/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.virbela.com/</a>,
as well. It is just a matter
to continue studying the
virtues of each virtual
environment and if it really
generates a more healthy
social networking scenario.</div>
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<div>The most hardship might
come when the bandwidth,
technical requirements, and
user- friendly issues are on
the table.
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<div>I personally have ha]d the
opportunity to participate in
mass meetings and breakout
sessions in Second Life,
Virbela and Zoom. Which is the
Best? Depends on who manages
the system, and what you wish
to accomplish.</div>
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<ul>
<li>Recording breakout
sessions,</li>
<li>Multimedia capabilities,</li>
<li>Bandwidth and
interoperability
standards,</li>
<li>equipment requirements
and accessibility,</li>
<li> among a few.</li>
</ul>
<div>It sounds like a good
idea to retake this
conversation, and setup some
demos with these companies.</div>
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<div>Dear Friends and
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I agree this is an
innovative tool but the
update of suggestion from
At-Large many times goes
through a process which
makes implementation so much
a challenge to adopt new
tools and ideas.
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<div>A recommendation can be
made and I look forward to
the tools being tested and
implemented. </div>
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Thanks Olivier! I
brought this tool up
some time ago and have
mentioned it to ICANN
IT. I just thing it
will be a loooong road
before we get access
to such a thing in an
official capacity but
it IS an innovative
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<b>Subject:</b>
[technology
taskforce] How to
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<div>Dear Colleagues,<br>
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in today's ALAC
Session with the ICANN
Board today, Joanna
Kulesza explained the
negative impact of
having virtual ICANN
meetings on the
At-Large Community,
because the essential
community building
social and networking
component part is
missing from a virtual
meeting.<br>
In recent months I
have attended several
IGFs and the UK IGF
used an interesting
social event tool
called REMO. More
details on
<a
href="https://remo.co/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://remo.co/</a><br>
A demo video is
available on: <a
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target="_blank"
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https://youtu.be/P01JxUBNU2Y</a><br>
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I could imagine a
break, for example,
where each of the
tables on the one
floor is run by 1 ALAC
member. And 3 tables
on the other floor are
run by a RALO
leadership each, and
people can move around
from table to table. I
wonder if this could
be fun and helpful?<br>
<br>
Perhaps should this be
checked out at some
point? Perhaps there
are other places that
can be tested out?
SecondLife? Others?<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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