FW: Updated Australian time zone names/strings
alex at agsm.edu.au
Tue Apr 17 06:32:21 UTC 2001
On 2001-03-22 at 03:40 David J N Begley <d.begley at uws.edu.au> wrote:
>I can't speak for Mr Mackin's direct experience, but I can most certainly
>contest the assertion that, "We in Australia have _never_ referred to DST as
>`daylight' time" - certainly everyone I know (and myself, of course) have
>always used the term "daylight savings" rather than "summer time".
Yes, we (Australians) certainly usually speak of "daylight saving"
(or, with disputable correctness, "daylight savings"*) and
"daylight-saving time", but we do _not_ speak of "daylight time"! All
the examples and demonstrations given of the former are of no avail:
they in no way support the assertion that Australians use or are
familiar with the term "daylight time" or an abbreviation containing
"DT" derived from it. "DST" is fairly likely to be understood, but
In my opinion, time-zone, or more accurately time-offset,
abbreviation strings are a self-indulgent folly. I cannot really
imagine what benefit they convey, in comparison to explicit numeric
offsets, besides possibly indicating with unpredictable and widely
varying granularity something about the accompanying data's location
of origin and that location's time-offset history, all of which can
be determined much more reliably and comprehensively by other means,
and none of which is necessary to determine the time being
represented in terms of another offset.
Isn't determining the equivalent time according to another offset
nearly always the _only_ purpose of time-offset abbreviation strings?
And isn't that purpose fulfilled flawlessly by explicit offset
indicators, something which time-offset abbreviations clearly do not
do and cannot, judging by the intractable discussion on the subject,
be expected to do anytime soon? It would seem to me that explicit
numeric offsets should be compulsory, with offset abbreviations an
optional indulgent addition to be regarded as no more than comment
and ignored by software.
My two cents' worth.
* To be consistent with the terms "saving" and "savings" from
economics, "daylight saving" would be the practice of saving
daylight, whereas "daylight savings" would be what is saved, which in
this case is hard to nail down, but might be considered to be an hour
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