Xinjiang

Luther Ma ma.lude.xj at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 16:45:33 UTC 2009


One thing I wonder about is exactly what "zone" refers to. The reason  
I ask is that Han living in Xinjiang would not say that they are in  
the Urumqi (or Wulumuqi) zone as far as time is concerned. Does it  
refer instead an area and population center first and then to a time  
zone second?

-mld

On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] wrote:

> From:	Arthur David Olson [olsona at elsie.nci.nih.gov]
> Sent:	Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:43 AM
> To:	tz at lecserver.nci.nih.gov
> Subject:	first pass at Uyghur time
>
> Below find a first pass at changes to "zone.tabb" and "asia" to  
> handle Uyghur variants of time in China.
> The basic approach is to have zones with Han-based names for the  
> rules used by Han,
> and zones with Uyghur-based names for the rules used by Uyghur.
>
> 			--ado
>
> ------- zone.tab -------
> *** /tmp/geta21843	Sat Nov 21 10:34:46 2009
> --- /tmp/getb21843	Sat Nov 21 10:34:46 2009
> ***************
> *** 1,5 ****
>  # <pre>
> ! # @(#)zone.tab	8.29
>  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
>  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
>  #
> --- 1,5 ----
>  # <pre>
> ! # @(#)zone.tab	8.30
>  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
>  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
>  #
> ***************
> *** 148,155 ****
>  CN	+3114+12128	Asia/Shanghai	east China - Beijing, Guangdong,  
> Shanghai, etc.
>  CN	+4545+12641	Asia/Harbin	Heilongjiang (except Mohe), Jilin
>  CN	+2934+10635	Asia/Chongqing	central China - Sichuan, Yunnan,  
> Guangxi, Shaanxi, Guizhou, etc.
> ! CN	+4348+08735	Asia/Urumqi	most of Tibet & Xinjiang
> ! CN	+3929+07559	Asia/Kashgar	west Tibet & Xinjiang
>  CO	+0436-07405	America/Bogota
>  CR	+0956-08405	America/Costa_Rica
>  CU	+2308-08222	America/Havana
> --- 148,157 ----
>  CN	+3114+12128	Asia/Shanghai	east China - Beijing, Guangdong,  
> Shanghai, etc.
>  CN	+4545+12641	Asia/Harbin	Heilongjiang (except Mohe), Jilin
>  CN	+2934+10635	Asia/Chongqing	central China - Sichuan, Yunnan,  
> Guangxi, Shaanxi, Guizhou, etc.
> ! CN	+4348+08735	Asia/Urumqi	most of Tibet & Xinjiang (offset 6  
> hours from UTC as base)
> ! CN	+4348+08735	Asia/Wulumuqi	most of Tibet & Xinjiang (using  
> Beijing time)
> ! CN	+3929+07559	Asia/Kashgar	west Tibet & Xinjiang (offset 6 hours  
> from UTC as base)
> ! CN	+3929+07559	Asia/Kashi	west Tibet & Xinjiang (using Beijing time)
>  CO	+0436-07405	America/Bogota
>  CR	+0956-08405	America/Costa_Rica
>  CU	+2308-08222	America/Havana
>
> ------- asia -------
> *** /tmp/geta21865	Sat Nov 21 10:35:09 2009
> --- /tmp/getb21865	Sat Nov 21 10:35:09 2009
> ***************
> *** 1,4 ****
> ! # @(#)asia	8.44
>  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
>  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
>
> --- 1,4 ----
> ! # @(#)asia	8.45
>  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
>  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
>
> ***************
> *** 355,374 ****
>  # Wusu, Qiemo, Xinyan, Wulanwusu, Jinghe, Yumin, Tacheng, Tuoli,  
> Emin,
>  # Shihezi, Changji, Yanqi, Heshuo, Tuokexun, Tulufan, Shanshan, Hami,
>  # Fukang, Kuitun, Kumukuli, Miquan, Qitai, and Turfan.
> ! Zone	Asia/Urumqi	5:50:20	-	LMT	1928 # or Urumchi
> ! 			6:00	-	URUT	1980 May # Urumqi Time
> ! 			8:00	PRC	C%sT
>  # Kunlun Time
>  # West Tibet, including Pulan, Aheqi, Shufu, Shule;
>  # West Xinjiang, including Aksu, Atushi, Yining, Hetian, Cele,  
> Luopu, Nileke,
>  # Zhaosu, Tekesi, Gongliu, Chabuchaer, Huocheng, Bole, Pishan,  
> Suiding,
>  # and Yarkand.
> ! Zone	Asia/Kashgar	5:03:56	-	LMT	1928 # or Kashi or Kaxgar
> ! 			5:30	-	KAST	1940	 # Kashgar Time
>  			5:00	-	KAST	1980 May
>  			8:00	PRC	C%sT
>
>
>  # From Lee Yiu Chung (2009-10-24):
>  # I found there are some mistakes for the historial DST rule for Hong
>  # Kong. Accoring to the DST record from Hong Kong Observatory  
> (actually,
> --- 355,456 ----
>  # Wusu, Qiemo, Xinyan, Wulanwusu, Jinghe, Yumin, Tacheng, Tuoli,  
> Emin,
>  # Shihezi, Changji, Yanqi, Heshuo, Tuokexun, Tulufan, Shanshan, Hami,
>  # Fukang, Kuitun, Kumukuli, Miquan, Qitai, and Turfan.
> !
>  # Kunlun Time
>  # West Tibet, including Pulan, Aheqi, Shufu, Shule;
>  # West Xinjiang, including Aksu, Atushi, Yining, Hetian, Cele,  
> Luopu, Nileke,
>  # Zhaosu, Tekesi, Gongliu, Chabuchaer, Huocheng, Bole, Pishan,  
> Suiding,
>  # and Yarkand.
> !
> ! # From Luther Ma (2009-10-17):
> ! # Almost all (>99.9%) ethnic Chinese (properly ethnic Han) living in
> ! # Xinjiang use Chinese Standard Time. Some are aware of Xinjiang  
> time,
> ! # but have no need of it. All planes, trains, and schools function  
> on
> ! # what is called "Beijing time." When Han make an appointment in  
> Chinese
> ! # they implicitly use Beijing time.
> ! #
> ! # On the other hand, ethnic Uyghurs, who make up about half the
> ! # population of Xinjiang, typically use "Xinjiang time" which is two
> ! # hours behind Beijing time, or UTC +0600. The government of the  
> Xinjiang
> ! # Uyghur Autonomous Region, (XAUR, or just Xinjiang for short) as  
> well as
> ! # local governments such as the Urumqi city government use both  
> times in
> ! # publications, referring to what is popularly called Xinjiang  
> time as
> ! # "Urumqi time." When Uyghurs make an appointment in the Uyghur  
> language
> ! # they almost invariably use Xinjiang time.
> ! #
> ! # (Their ethnic Han compatriots would typically have no clue of its
> ! # widespread use, however, because so extremely few of them are  
> fluent in
> ! # Uyghur, comparable to the number of Anglo-Americans fluent in  
> Navajo.)
> ! #
> ! # (...As with the rest of China there was a brief interval ending  
> in 1990
> ! # or 1991 when summer time was in use.  The confusion was severe,  
> with
> ! # the province not having dual times but four times in use at the  
> same
> ! # time. Some areas remained on standard Xinjiang time or Beijing  
> time and
> ! # others moving their clocks ahead.)
> ! #
> ! # ...an example of an official website using of Urumqi time.
> ! #
> ! # The first few lines of the Google translation of
> ! # <a href="http://www.fjysgl.gov.cn/show.aspx?id=2379&cid=39">
> ! # http://www.fjysgl.gov.cn/show.aspx?id=2379&cid=39
> ! # </a>
> ! # (retrieved 2009-10-13)
> ! # > Urumqi fire seven people are missing the alleged losses of at  
> least
> ! # > 500 million yuan
> ! # >
> ! # > (Reporter Dong Liu) the day before 20:20 or so (Urumqi Time  
> 18:20),
> ! # > Urumqi City Department of International Plaza Luther Qiantang  
> River
> ! # > burst fire. As of yesterday, 18:30, Urumqi City Fire officers  
> and men
> ! # > have worked continuously for 22 hours...
> !
> ! # From Luther Ma (2009-11-19):
> ! # With the risk of being redundant to previous answers these are  
> the most common
> ! # English "transliterations" (w/o using non-English symbols):
> ! #
> ! # 1. Wulumuqi...
> ! # 2. Kashi...
> ! # 3. Urumqi...
> ! # 4. Kashgar...
> ! # ...
> ! # 5. It seems that Uyghurs in Urumqi has been using Xinjiang since  
> at least the
> ! # 1960's. I know of one Han, now over 50, who grew up in the  
> surrounding
> ! # countryside and used Xinjiang time as a child.
> ! #
> ! # 6. Likewise for Kashgar and the rest of south Xinjiang I don't  
> know of any
> ! # start date for Xinjiang time.
> ! #
> ! # Without having access to local historical records, nor the  
> ability to legally
> ! # publish them, I would go with October 1, 1949, when Xinjiang  
> became the Uyghur
> ! # Autonomous Region under the PRC. (Before that Uyghurs, of  
> course, would also
> ! # not be using Beijing time, but some local time.)
> !
> ! # From Arthur David Olson (2009-11-21)
> ! # Use English transliterations of Han names of cities for names of  
> zones using Han approaches;
> ! # use English transliterations of Uyghur names of cities for names  
> of zones using Uyghur approaches.
> ! # Since (reportedly) at least some Uyghur have observed Beijing  
> DST rules,
> ! # use PRC rules for Uyghur zones.
> !
> ! # First the Han...
> !
> ! Zone	Asia/Wulumuqi	5:50:20	-	LMT	1928
> ! 			6:00	-	WULT	1980 May # Wulumuqi Time
> ! 			8:00	PRC	C%sT
> !
> ! Zone	Asia/Kashi	5:03:56	-	LMT	1928
> ! 			5:30	-	KAST	1940 # Kashi time
>  			5:00	-	KAST	1980 May
>  			8:00	PRC	C%sT
>
> + # ...and then the Uyghur...
>
> + Zone	Asia/Urumqi	5:50:20	-	LMT	1928 # or Urumchi
> + 			6:00	PRC	XIN%sT # Xinjiang Time
> +
> + Zone	Asia/Kashgar	5:03:56	-	LMT	1928
> + 			5:30	-	KAST	1940 # Kashgar time
> + 			5:00	-	KAST	1949 Oct 1
> + 			6:00	PRC	XIN%sT # Xinjiang Time
> +
>  # From Lee Yiu Chung (2009-10-24):
>  # I found there are some mistakes for the historial DST rule for Hong
>  # Kong. Accoring to the DST record from Hong Kong Observatory  
> (actually,
>
>
>
>




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