[tz] Proposal for new rules

David Patte ₯ dpatte at relativedata.com
Fri Aug 30 01:25:19 UTC 2013

I also find it interesting that a move is afoot to remove The Vatican, 
which (perhaps not coincidentally) has the same status in the UN as the 
'State of Palestine'. I have not made suggestions that the database be 
changed to reflect the recognized name 'The State of Palestine', 
recognized by a significant majority of nations, but there is no doubt 
that if the Vatican is removed, it could be used as justification to 
prevent the use of the name of Palestine in the DB, if that suggestion 
is proposed.

On 2013-08-29 18:51, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> On 29 August 2013 21:56, Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
>> On 08/29/2013 01:06 PM, Paul Goyette wrote:
>>> The new proposal (appears to) restore the recent status-quo
>> I'm afraid that's not the case: the proposal would impose
>> new political rules that have never been followed in the tz
>> database, rules that would require politically-inspired makework.
>> For example, it would forbid the longstanding link from
>> Europe/Rome to Europe/Vatican.  There is no technical reason
>> to forbid that link; the only reason to forbid it would be
>> political.  (This is not the only example; I'm picking on
>> the Vatican because it's relatively uncontroversial.)
> The Vatican and Rome may have exactly the same time-zone rules but
> they do not have exactly the same LMT. Now I'll accept that the
> discrepancy is likely to be irrelevant to pretty much everybody, but
> it is a necessary effect of the two rules.
> The real aim of rule #2 is to stop things which are politically
> charged like Belgrade vs Zagreb. It also handles things like
> Aruba/Anguilla/PuetoRico which may not be politically charged now but
> could be in the future.
> If it were to ease things for others, I would be happy with rule #2
> being should rather than must, although I personally feel its a step
> backward. Similarly, I would be OK with a city (zone ID) linking to
> two different ISO3166 regions if time is and always has been the same
> in both parts of the disputed city - I just think that scenario won't
> actually ever occur.
> The two rules do, unquestionably, make zone IDs a function of regions.
> I think that is a good thing. Note that I said zone ID within region,
> not city within region. This distinction is where the separation from
> politics can occur for the few that complain.
> In addition, the number of controversial IDs is very, very small. They
> can and should be sidestepped via an "avoid controversial zone ID
> names" rule - ie. use Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem. Specifically, no one
> can complain that Tel Aviv is in Israel and that Israel has an ISO3166
> code. Politics sorted.
> Stephen


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