[tz] Rename Ukrainian cities to their official transliterated names

Ken Murchison murch at fastmail.com
Thu Oct 4 18:37:11 UTC 2018

I happen to agree with Mike that the naming of the zones can be 
extracted out as meta-data to go along with the tz rulesets.  The IANA 
db can use UUIDs, urns or whatever to label the zones and also provide a 
mapping from the current names to the opaque ids. Consumers of the data 
can use the existing mapping or create their own.

On 10/04/2018 01:42 PM, Michael Douglass wrote:
> I suggested a completely backward compatible approach.
> Downstream consumers can have a form of the data that looks as it does 
> now.
> The argument we are supposedly trying to make is that NOBODY should be 
> presenting these names to users - they should be using the tzid as a 
> key to a localized lookup so UI wise there's no difference. I don't 
> think we can use 'misuse' of those names as a reason not to change.
> There is also the point that some are reluctant to use the Olson data 
> at least because it's tied to politically sensitive names. Having the 
> originators maintain a UID at least satisfies that problem.
> On 10/4/18 13:02, Fred Gleason wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 2018, at 12:35, John Haxby <john.haxby at oracle.com 
>> <mailto:john.haxby at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>> I think, even so, this will not fix the problem.  Instead of 
>>> complaining about the Europe/Kiev name, they'll be complaining about 
>>> the spelling of the mapping from an opaque identifier to Europe/Kiev.
>> Exactly. At *some* point in the chain, these zones need to get turned 
>> into geographical names that people can recognize. In some regions, 
>> that naming process is fraught with dispute and emotion; 
>> unfortunately, due to the very nature of what tzdb is and does, we 
>> are never going to be free from that aspect. Thus, changing the 
>> current identifiers would merely add confusion for users and 
>> complexity to the code without addressing the essence of the issue.
> Yes - these discussions are always fraught with dispute and emotion.
> The point here is to distance this group that maintains the zone data 
> from some other group that does localization. With a little care most 
> consumers of the data won't see the difference.
>> That cartoon from Xkcd posted here last week [https://xkcd.com/2050/] 
>> somehow feels relevant…  :)
> I think that cartoon identifies the type of discussion that SHOULD 
> take place in this group.
>> Cheers!
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Ken Murchison
Cyrus Development Team
FastMail US LLC

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