[tz] Update Ukrainian Timezones Names

Brian Inglis Brian.Inglis at SystematicSw.ab.ca
Tue Mar 10 21:15:27 UTC 2020


The point is that those ethnic Russian and Russian speaking Republic areas have,
like Crimea, followed MSK+00 since the 2014 October 26 switch date.

[OT: From what I have read, there has been nothing like rejection, for now just
continuing low level conflict and non-compliance with the Minsk I/II agreements,
as they are just part of the Great Game still being played by Russia in the
Crimean arena, recently used to distract attention from conflicts with Turkey in
Syria.]

On 2020-03-10 14:45, Phake Nick wrote:
> As far as I can tell, those regions have expressed desire to join Russia but
> they have been rejected by Russia, so it doesn't make sense to mention Russia
> when talking about them.
> 
> 在 2020年3月11日週三 04:35,Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis at systematicsw.ab.ca
> <mailto:Brian.Inglis at systematicsw.ab.ca>> 寫道:
> 
>     On 2020-03-07 08:22, Paul Eggert wrote:
>     > On 3/6/20 3:44 PM, bebyx via tz wrote:
>     >> Default timezone names for Ukraine, e.g. Europe/Kiev, are more understandable
>     >> and correct than ridiculous fantasy style, e.g. Ruthenia.
>     >
>     > We can't simply blank the "comments" column, because the user interface for
>     > tzselect currently looks like the interaction quoted at the end of this email,
>     > and if the last four lines say simply "1) 2) 3) 4)" the user won't know
>     what to
>     > select. Presumably there would be similar problems with fancier user
>     interfaces
>     > employing this data.
>     >
>     > The "(most areas)" comment in Ukraine is similar to comments used in
>     Australia,
>     > Canada, and other countries. Perhaps you can suggest better comments
>     identifying
>     > the three smaller regions involved. Comments should be in the English language
>     > and aimed at an English-language audience.
> 
>     Looking at the area names used in news articles and Wikipedia, the suggestions
>     below seem to be used most (the region is more consistently called Luhansk using
>     the Ukrainian transliteration, while the city is as often called by the Russian
>     transliteration Lugansk - more political fodder):
> 
>     > $ tzselect
>     > Please identify a location so that time zone rules can be set correctly.
>     > Please select a continent, ocean, "coord", or "TZ".
> 
>     >  7) Europe
> 
>     > #? 7
>     > Please select a country whose clocks agree with yours.
> 
>     > 15) France          32) Montenegro        49) Ukraine
> 
>     > #? 49
>     > Please select one of the following time zone regions.
>     > 1) MSK+00 - Crimea
>     > 2) Ukraine (most areas)
>       3) Zakarpatska (Transcarpathia)
>       4) Zaporozhye, Luhansk (East)
> 
>     Because of regional alliances, I wonder that Donetsk did not participate in 4.
>     The region appears also to be called Zaporizjzja internationally.
> 
>     According to https://tass.com/world/756540 the Donbass (Donets Basin) region
>     (largest city Donetsk): Donetsk People's Republic (DPR/DNR - SE Donetsk region -
>     largest city Donetsk https://www.geonames.org/709717/donetsk.html N 48°01′23″ E
>     37°48′08″) and Lu[gh]ansk People's Republic (LPR/LNR - S Luhansk region -
>     largest city Lu[gh]ansk https://www.geonames.org/709717/luhansk.html N 48°34′01″
>     E 39°19′01″) switched to Moscow time on 2014 October 26 like other Russian
>     zones.
> 
>     Western news sources report Ukraine admitted no control over those regions since
>     mid-2014, and those regions have not participated in Ukrainian elections
>     https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/01/is-this-new-era-ukrainian-politics/
> 
>     Due to conflict, lack of stable government, and migrations, population numbers
>     are likely different, and probably down, from the latest 2008 statistics
>     available in that region:
>     http://www.geonames.org/UA/largest-cities-in-ukraine.html
> 
>     You may want to consider adding zones for those regions considering their
>     history e.g.
>     [RU,]UA +4801+03748     Europe/Donetsk  MSK+00 - DPR
>     [RU,]UA +4834+03919     Europe/Luhansk  MSK+00 - LPR
> 
>     with histories based on Kiev and Zaporozhye, recently updated like Simferopol:
> 
>     Zone Europe/Donetsk     2:02:04 -       LMT     1880
>                             2:02:04 -       KMT     1924 May  2 # Kiev Mean Time
>                             2:00    -       EET     1930 Jun 21
>                             3:00    -       MSK     1941 Sep 20
>                             1:00    C-Eur   CE%sT   1943 Nov  6
>                             3:00    Russia  MSK/MSD 1990 Jul  1  2:00
>                             2:00    1:00    EEST    1991 Sep 29  3:00
>                             2:00    E-Eur   EE%sT   1995
>                             2:00    EU      EE%sT   2014 Oct 26  2:00s
>                             3:00    -       MSK
> 
>     Zone Europe/Luhansk     2:20:40 -       LMT     1880
>                             2:20    -       +0220   1924 May  2
>                             2:00    -       EET     1930 Jun 21
>                             3:00    -       MSK     1941 Aug 25
>                             1:00    C-Eur   CE%sT   1943 Oct 25
>                             3:00    Russia  MSK/MSD 1991 Mar 31  2:00
>                             2:00    E-Eur   EE%sT   1995
>                             2:00    EU      EE%sT   2014 Oct 26  2:00s
>                             3:00    -       MSK

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