[tz] Preparing to fork tzdb

Watson Ladd watson at cloudflare.com
Tue Sep 21 22:48:53 UTC 2021

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 3:42 PM dpatte <dpatte at relativedata.com> wrote:
> The strategy used since tz was created has caused many political arguments and decisions in this group instead of deferring the decisions to the ISO that has this mandate.

ISO countries doesn't solve some of the thorny political issues,
because ISO codes don't take a position on boundary disputes or naming
disputes. E.g. Crimea. When the invasion happened, the civil time in
the region occupied changed. That means a new zone entry needed to be
created. I don't know how defering to ISO resolves the naming of that

The other example would be Palestine. Regardless of what ISO decides,
the time in Palestine is what it is, and is different from Israel in
funny ways, and the territories that have gone back and forth have
gone back and forth and thus need new entries.

What ISO countries do solve is the vanity issues of people wanting
timezones with their local big cities in them appearing in a list,
even if the timezone is the same as one in another country.

Watson Ladd
> Sent from my Galaxy
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Eliot Lear via tz <tz at iana.org>
> Date: 2021-09-21 16:17 (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive at davros.org>, Watson Ladd <watson at cloudflare.com>
> Cc: tz <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] Preparing to fork tzdb
> And who gets to decide?  The strategy used over the entire existence of
> this database has obviated the need to answer that question.
> Eliot
> On 21.09.21 22:07, Clive D.W. Feather via tz wrote:
> > Watson Ladd via tz said:
> >> If what we want is one time zone per country, let's have that
> >> conversation instead of having it happen by accident as a side effect
> >> of rules that don't mention countries.
> > I agree.
> >
> > But, if we want to talk about countries, what would surely be more useful
> > is a list, for each country, of all the time zones that are at least
> > partially in that country.
> >
> > Oh, please define "country". Is England a country? Wales? The Netherlands
> > (as opposed to the Kingdom of the Netherlands)? Sealand? Taiwan? Macau?
> > Bir Tawil? Liberland?
> >
> > Do you really want to open this can of worms?
> >

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