[tz] Some thoughts about the way forward

Eliot Lear lear at lear.ch
Fri Sep 24 10:04:25 UTC 2021

On 24.09.21 11:15, Stephen Colebourne via tz wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 09:58, Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
>> It's clearly not equitable. We should not make special exceptions for
>> Norway and Sweden while having China, southeast Asia, Africa, etc.
>> follow the same rules as everyone else. There is no timekeeping
>> justification for this; it's purely a political decision and it's a
>> terrible look for us.
> I'm not disagreeing with the notion that Norway and Sweden should
> follow the same rules as everyone else. I am saying that current rules
> result in what I consider to be an inequitable outcome where Berlin is
> favoured over Oslo. I understand that you don't see that as
> inequitable, but please try to understand that I do.
> (The are also separate, but important downstream issues of stability
> and breakages that need handling in a more considered manner)
>> I've just sent a suggestion that would back off many of the changes
>> you're objecting to. I view this as being a big concession on my part,
>> because I'll now have to defend making a gradual fix to the equity
>> problem. Would that suggestion be acceptable to you? Here it is again,
>> if you haven't seen it in the recent blizzard of emails:
>>> OK, how about if I scale back the current round of link-merging, so that it's on the scale of what we've done in previous releases? I would not at all be happy with such an approach since it would delay the release of an equitable solution, but if this approach will help reach consensus I can prepare a patch along those lines. The idea would be to finish the job in the next few releases.
>> I really am trying to find a compromise here (even if it's a compromise
>> that nobody likes :-). However, a compromise works only if the other
>> side accepts it.
> I have a good final position state for tzdb in my head, but I don't
> want to write it to the list until everything is calmer. (My proposal
> meets both your and my equity viewpoints).

Before you put out a "good final position", could you please respond to 
Paul on his compromise proposal.


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