[tz] Timezone error (Kyiv not Kiev)

Petro Ord petro.ordyn at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 21:35:13 UTC 2022


> No matter how strongly we oppose the current and 2014 invasions,
> or the actions of the Third Reich, time zone identifiers are not
> political statements.

> Indeed they are not.
For those of you who have no social, cultural and historical
background with the current KyivNotKiev issue, it is not an error.

> they're not primarily intended for human consumption.
And yet I can see it as a user; it bothers me that it is wrong.

> was not the string "Europe/Kyiv", but rather, the number 7252,
I would (personally) rather prefer it as a number than an incorrect identifier.

вт, 5 июл. 2022 г. в 22:46, Steve Summit via tz <tz at iana.org>:
>
> Doug Ewell wrote:
> > No matter how strongly we oppose the current and 2014 invasions,
> > or the actions of the Third Reich, time zone identifiers are not
> > political statements.
>
> Indeed they are not.  Well said.  (In fact it's right up there
> with Jamie Lee Curtis's line from A Fish Called Wanda: "The
> London Underground is not a political movement.")
>
> As regulars well know, but newcomers may not, time zone identifiers
> are just that: identifiers.  They're somewhat arbitrary; they're
> not primarily intended for human consumption.  If you can imagine
> for a moment that the identifier for the zone of interest here
> was not the string "Europe/Kyiv", but rather, the number 7252,
> we wouldn't be having these internecine and unnecessarily
> politicized debates over spelling.
>
> What end-user interfaces are there that present raw tz identifiers
> for selection, and that might therefore confuse or offend users
> if the spellings are culturally inappropriate?  If the time and
> energy being spent lobbying this list for unnecessary changes to
> the database could instead be directed towards rooting out and
> correcting those interfaces, it would be far more productive.
>
> (A while back, I went and implemented the old suggestion that we
> augment or replace the tz names by arbitrary numbers like 7252.
> I suppose I should post that code for consideration.)


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