[tz] Kyiv not Kiev

Petro Ord petro.ordyn at gmail.com
Mon Jun 27 20:32:32 UTC 2022

Theory and pragmatics of the tz code and data says to "Use mainstream
English spelling", popular is not quite a synonym to mainstream.
With that being said, Kyiv became mainstream in 1991.

How can you evaluate significance of the existing zone names, if the
requests and messages are neglected?
Look at the answer I've got from Paul Eggart:
"The list is being moderated to suppress spam by people who are
repeatedly lobbying for the spelling change. I forgot that, and cc'ed
to the list. I should have just replied to you privately."
That is quite intolerable to all Ukrainians and Ukraine-related issues.

And again, who is in charge to define the change to be important? If
it is one person - what is the meaning of such discussions, if it is
the community - then why is the "repeated' request ignored?

пн, 27 июн. 2022 г. в 20:46, Ian Abbott <abbotti at mev.co.uk>:

> On 27/06/2022 16:45, Petro Ord via tz wrote:
> > I have checked past discussions and all the answers are about Kyiv not
> > being a common English word.
> It wasn't until relatively recently, but has been gradually growing in
> popularity since 2018.  With recent events in 2022 it appears to have
> become more popular than the old name in the English language (at least
> when referring to the Ukrainian capital city, and not when referring to
> chicken recipes where I suspect the old name is still more popular).
> That is why the current development version of the TZ database was
> updated on April 13 this year, and the change will appear in the next
> release.
> > If people are still writing to you about the same error it means your
> > statement about "Kyiv is NOT a common word" is wrong.
> > Pertinent is the number of such requests, and this number is unknown.
> > Even when I wrote mine, I saw another one has submitted the same, which
> > only states that it is not just a typo, it's a bug.
> Changes to existing zone names are rare, and significant.  You may
> consider it a bug, but it does not break anything, unlike changes to
> timekeeping rules.  The old name still works.  After the next version of
> the TZ database has been released and installed locally, people can
> switch over to using "Europe/Kyiv" if they want to.  Until then, they
> should continue using the old name since that is the one that is
> installed.  After release, the old name should also continue to work for
> backwards compatibility, at least on those distributions that do install
> the links from old names to new names.
> TZ releases do have hidden costs in the IT industry, so the maintainer
> only tends to do a new release when absolutely necessary but ideally
> allowing plenty of time for timekeeping rules to percolate through the
> various 3rd-party distributors to the end-user devices.  Regrettably for
> you, name changes are not deemed important enough by themselves to
> require an expedited release.  If a more urgent reason for a release
> comes along, the name change will be released at the same time.
> None of the above prohibits anyone from making and installing their own
> release.  It just won't be the official release.
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